NASA Study Indicates Antarctica is Gaining More Ice Than It's Losing - (1 Viewer)

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Peterson has zero qualifications in climate science.

And here we go again...

G, he has one very important qualification that puts him WAY above a lot of the researchers. He's not dependent on grant money administered by a biased granting agency. He has ANOTHER, even MORE important qualification: He's willing to think outside of the box that everyone tries to put around climate issues, even if only to examine it. He's an independent, thinking man. THAT qualification trumps a LOT of things about climate scientists.
 

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Based on the start of that video I agree with you!

To qualify my above statement, when you have watched a few JDP videos you will understand his apparent abruptness. It comes from his telling of the truth, and the necessity to deflect attacks from people who want to destroy him. The weak, ideology driven far left and right.

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If you find it difficult to believe that climate change scientists would manipulate the figures for monetary gain, then watch this video https://youtu.be/F0NEaPTu9oI in a completely unrelated area, unless of course Wifi signals are affecting the weather! Watch the video from time index 11 minutes. Fascinating!
 
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he has one very important qualification that puts him WAY above a lot of the researchers. He's not dependent on grant money administered by a biased granting agency. He has ANOTHER, even MORE important qualification: He's willing to think outside of the box that everyone tries to put around climate issues, even if only to examine it. He's an independent, thinking man. THAT qualification trumps a LOT of things about climate scientists.

Oh how very convenient. Anyone with qualifications who actually works in the field is disqualified while everything someone with a background in economic development and zero qualifications or experience in climate science says must be true.

Every time you contribute to this thread you say something more stupid.
 

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G., every time YOU contribute to this thread, you demonstrate confirmation bias in your thinking. But to the point, I have posted links (and probably to your relief, will not re-post them) from people with relevant academic credentials, but you dismissed them based on their funding. Yet when I point out that the clamor comes from people whose grants depend on "joining the chorus" you give ME a hard time. But you don't see that. I'm truly sorry, G., that you have such trouble seeing that bias.
 

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How exactly can you "guarantee" he speaks the truth?

Well the first thing is in one of his videos he says we all tell lies. However if you watch his videos and get to know him, then you will see what I see, a man who is speaking the truth. He's speaking the truth as he sees it, it might not be the truth as you see it. However he will be willing to sit down and discuss it with you. He won't call you names, he won't won't threaten your or your family, and he will actually listen to you. He will point out when he sees you are wrong, and if he is wrong he will tell you. I can tell you that for sure. To my mind that is someone who speaks the truth.

One of the most important points to clarify above is:- "he will actually listen to you" - He WILL listen to YOU ... However if you start spouting so-called knowledge you have been fed by some sort of ideology then he will switch off and he will not engage. Because he is no longer speaking to you! You are just a mouthpiece for something you have been fed by others. Your brain is not working, you are taking the easy route, you are just reiterating whatever is being fed you.

This is very common because it's very difficult to actually think. It's a lot easier to take up someone else's thoughts and present them as if they are your own.
 

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. However if you watch his videos and get to know him, then you will see what I see, a man who is speaking the truth. He's speaking the truth as he sees it, it might not be the truth as you see it.

He speaks his opinion. It is an unsubstantiated opinion not supported by the vast majority of scientists in the climate science field.

However if you start spouting so-called knowledge you have been fed by some sort of ideology then he will switch off and he will not engage.

In other words he won't engage with anyone who disagrees with his opinion.

You are just a mouthpiece for something you have been fed by others. Your brain is not working, you are taking the easy route, you are just reiterating whatever is being fed you.

This is very common because it's very difficult to actually think. It's a lot easier to take up someone else's thoughts and present them as if they are your own.

Your opinions are nothing more than reiteration of those fed to you by other people. You choose to repeat these unqualified minority opinions because they suit your agenda.
 

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In other words he won't engage with anyone who disagrees with his opinion..

No that's not it, he won't engage with people that demonstrate they don't think for themselves.

Let me give you an example of thinking for yourself. I was with a group called Ecademy a precursor to Facebook this was around 2000 think.

The bandwagon at the time everyone was jumping on was indignation at how much bottled water was being drunk.

I thought about it and looked up on the internet how much Coca-Cola was being sold throughout the world.

Turns out it was more than bottled water at that time!

So then I asked them on the forum I said what about Coca-Cola?

What do you mean what about Coke they said...

I said well it's basically a bottle of water with about 5 or 10 spoon Fulls of sugar, some brown colouring and flavouring.

I said in fact I encourage my children to drink bottled water. As opposed to drinking Coca-Cola. A much healthier option for them.

Going back to this climate change being caused by carbon dioxide, I'm thinking the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is or was around 300 parts per million, and it's increased to 400 parts per million, that's 100 parts per million increase. Or in percentage terms is it 0.01% in relation to the whole atmosphere.

That is such an insignificant tiny percentage compared to the volume of the atmosphere, but because it's a 25% increase in the amount of CO2 it's pointed out as being the culprit!

I just can't understand how anyone can suspect that of creating such a major effect on the climate. There has to be something else.

There's a particular graph which I found on Wikipedia which shows the amount of incoming radiation and the amount of outgoing radiation.

It's not a particularly detailed graph but it's obvious that the major element intercepting the energy is water vapour.

The water vapour even catches a percentage of the radiation from the incoming spectrum.

Not a significant amount but if you take into account that it's capturing the energy during the day when the amount of energy available is much higher.

It's clear to me that even a minute increase in the percentage of water vapour, say an increase of 10 percent water vapour, this would have a significant impact on global warming, because there's so much of it.

I have been analysing the energy transmission through the atmosphere graph on and off for a few weeks now, and I have made notes on it and hopefully within a few weeks I will be able to publish it here where everyone will be able to analyse it themselves and draw their own conclusions.










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I have been analysing the energy transmission through the atmosphere graph on and off for a few weeks now, and I have made notes on it and hopefully within a few weeks I will be able to publish it here where everyone will be able to analyse it themselves and draw their own conclusions.

Wow that's incredible. In just a few weeks of on and off study you have been able to gather insights into this subject that have somehow eluded tens of thousands of professional scientists who have specialised in the fields of atmospheric science and climatology for decades.:rolleyes:

I am sure Docman will be impressed.
 

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Unlike some people, I will wait until I see it. I will not shower someone with sarcasm and vituperation just because they disagree with me and might present some evidence that counters my viewpoint. Uncle G says he has something he might wish to show us. I'm willing to wait before passing judgment. You, on the other hand, do not seem to be willing to wait before you slam him.

Yet when you challenged ME earlier in the forum, you asked for presentations and I declined to take the bait - because I see in your attitude towards Uncle Gizmo's statement EXACTLY what I would have expected if I had made such a presentation.

You say "Put up or shut up" but then if someone puts up, you put down. Thanks but no thanks, and I hope you are happy with yourself.
 

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You say "Put up or shut up" but then if someone puts up, you put down.

You mean like the things you put up that were shot down with facts yet you refuse to acknowledge you were simply repeating the rubbish you had uncritically swallowed?

One that immediately springs to mind is your claim that human ancestors evolved with carbon dioxide levels higher than they are today. You simply ignored the fact that you were completely and utterly wrong.
 

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I just can't understand how anyone can suspect that of creating such a major effect on the climate.

You demonstrate your lack of comprehension of scale. In absolute terms it isn't "such a major effect". It is only large in biological terms.

The one degree Celsius increase in global temperature so far measured is only about a 0.3 percent change in global temperature.

The problem is that you do not understand the science and prefer to go with your deeply mistaken intuition.

It's clear to me that even a minute increase in the percentage of water vapour, say an increase of 10 percent water vapour, this would have a significant impact on global warming, because there's so much of it.

Further evidence you you lack of understanding of scale. A ten percent increase in water vapour is far from minute. Have you any idea how much difference that would make to temperature? The planet would be uninhabitable.

The water vapour content in the atmosphere is self regulating for a given temperature. Increase that temperature through another mechanism such as a 25 percent increase in CO2 and there will be a change in water vapour leading to a multiplication of the effect.

Similarly the release of ancient methane as permafrost melts and methane hydrates in the ocean are released with temperature rise.
 

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https://fee.org/articles/discussion-versus-debate/
The goal of debate. Simply stated, the object of any true debate is to win; to achieve victory for your side and inflict defeat on the other. Debate is a zero-sum game: In order for you to win, your opponent has to lose. Debate has that in common with war. As a result, debate is deeply anti-intellectual.
Likewise, a good debater, because the object of debate is victory by any means short of violence, will zero in on her opponent’s weakest argument, his most outrageous comment or slip of the tongue, and make it the centerpiece of a relentless attack in the hopes of hammering him to submission or making him look ridiculous in the eyes of any spectators. She will twist subtle argument into absurdity. Ad hominem, the straw man, and name-calling may be logical fallacies, but they’re all part of the debater’s arsenal, as are distraction and attributing false statements to an opponent. The goal is not truth-seeking, the goal is to win. At the same time, she will conceal the flaws in her own argument and make her position appear stronger than it really is. Anyone who doesn’t do such things is a bad debater.

A good discussion reveals the weaknesses of your argument, to yourself and to the other discussant. To correct an error you first have to be made aware of it and second to admit it. But to make yourself vulnerable by such an admission requires trusting that your challenger won’t hammer you over the head with it. As discourse turns to debate, that kind of trust vanishes

Do not try and have a rational discussion with a "master debater" you will always lose.:p
 

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Leave it to AB to introduce masterbation into the conversation...
All kidding aside, Galaxiom has great debate skills. He effectively shuts down the "conversation" with good debate tactics. Trying to have a conversation about climate change with Galaxiom is like bringing a knife to a gun fight, you will lose.
 

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This woman seems credible, intelligent and well informed. https://youtu.be/m3hHi4sylxE?t=215

You find these videos because they are what you are looking for and you do not seek out the actual science at all. Then you fail to apply any critical analysis to the claims.

"Climategate" was beatup that didn't change any of the facts.

You attribute those qualities to her because her opinions match your confirmation bias. The reality is her opinion is a minority one. She has a populist blog and knows what brings in more readers and makes her more money.

Try reading about the actual state of the science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
 

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Now let's see what Curry actually says in the video.

"Scientists agree that ... temperatures are increasing."
and
"Carbon dioxide does act to warm the planet."

As a highly qualified atmospheric scientist she does not doubt that Climate Change caused by anthropogenic carbon emissions is real.

Her argument is
"There is no agreement as to whether warming is dangerous or not."

So she isn't worried about coastal flooding, extreme weather events, changes in distribution of precipitation and loss of viable agricultural land. Quite odd really.
 

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And now to Stossell who is an outspoken Libertarian. That is a political stance against all forms of regulation and basically advocating a free for all. Doing anything about the environment is antithetical to his politics.

In 2014 he falsely claimed there was no good evidence that second hand smoke kills people as part of a fight to stop regulations against allowing smokers being free to pollute the air breathed by others. The man is a complete jerk.

He opposed the ban on DDT, and well known and very dangerous cumulative poison that never breaks down. Basically he has religious beliefs about Libertarianism that are contrary to common sense and will lie and misrepresent facts without the slightest compunction.

He misrepresents people. Even in the interview with Curry we don't see his face when the audio says "You used to agree with the scaremongers." I have no doubt that was dubbed over the heavily edited video designed to emphasise his own biases.

Anyone who accepts anything produced by Stossell has not applied any critical thought.
 

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