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Old 04-10-2018, 12:24 PM   #196
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What Weapon Did Cain Use to Kill Abel?
Some early interpreters specified that Cain used a stone to kill Abel (e.g., Jubilees 4:31: “He [Cain] killed Abel with a stone”).
Stones are a gateway device, they have led us all the way to nuclear bombs.

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Old 04-11-2018, 12:17 AM   #197
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My thought was that if you get rid of guns and folks resort to knife attacks, then you get rid of knives, they will resort to bats (baseball or cricket) and other sticks (hockey or just broom handles.) Eventually, EVERYTHING will be banned, and we will reach the stage of using our bare hands to get rid of someone. So will we then have to submit to amputations in order to get rid of bare hands?

People are going to kill whether we like that fact or not. They will find whatever way is both convenient AND sufficiently effective to get that job done. Which is why gun control does not work.
I don't understand your logic here, it is as if you are proclaiming that the majority of people have murderous tendancies..

Control of weapons would work if you ensured that the undesirable elements in society, you know the Murderous Tendancy ones, cannot get hold of a weapon, and yes anything could be used as a weapon, you are correct.. but many weapons with the exceptions of Guns are weapons that pretty much need to be used in close combat, ie looking into your victims eyes.. only the most physco would be able to do that..whereas with a Gun, you can hide in hotel room and shoot hundreds of people from a window and be completely detached from your crime...
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Old 04-11-2018, 02:38 AM   #198
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Aide to NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio arrested; police cite loaded gun, 'odor of marijuana'

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A woman working in New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio's Office of Criminal Justice was arrested after police allegedly found a loaded handgun in a car she was a passenger in.

Police say they were responding to reports of gunfire Saturday night in the Queens borough of New York when they found Reagan Stevens, 42, sitting in the back seat of an SUV that was double-parked with two men sitting in front.

The officers noticed a "strong odor of marijuana" coming from the vehicle, which they proceeded to search, according to the New York Post. Inside they found a loaded 9mm handgun with the serial number removed and a spent shell casing.

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According to CBS News, all three were arrested because no one in the car claimed possession of the handgun.
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When you get down to it. Those who are politically inside the pro-control movement may themselves desire to illegally acquire guns despite their assumed disdain for owning such weapons and their public persona of being against the personal ownership of guns.

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When you get down to it. Those who are politically inside the pro-control movement may themselves desire to illegally acquire guns despite their assumed disdain for owning such weapons and their public persona of being against the personal ownership of guns.
How do you know she was against personal ownership of guns or pro-control herself?

Also, being pro gun-control and being against personal ownership are entirely different things. The propaganda machine of "their coming for our guns" is old and tired. Wanting common sense gun laws doesn't mean anyone is trying to take away everyone's guns.
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How do you know she was against personal ownership of guns or pro-control herself?
Unknown. Nevertheless, Mayor de Blasio’s administration has been publicly vocal concerning gun control. One can assume, maybe incorrectly, that members of his administration would be more or less in alignment with those policies.
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I have tried to stay away from this thread as over time it has become clear that the arguments of the anti gun control crowd have become ridiculous, even by obviously otherwise intelligent people.
will somebody please show me the definition where control = ban.

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Old 04-13-2018, 02:48 PM   #202
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When you get down to it. Those who are politically inside the pro-control movement may themselves desire to illegally acquire guns despite their assumed disdain for owning such weapons and their public persona of being against the personal ownership of guns.
Here is a better example.

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I have tried to stay away from this thread as over time it has become clear that the arguments of the anti gun control crowd have become ridiculous, even by obviously otherwise intelligent people.
will somebody please show me the definition where control = ban.

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Did ban in UK start with ban, or did it start with control? Just asking. I don't know.

BTW:Brian I stayed away from this thread for just the same reason, but on the other side of the coin
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Old 04-13-2018, 08:03 PM   #204
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Control of weapons would work if you ensured that the undesirable elements in society, you know the Murderous Tendancy ones, cannot get hold of a weapon
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will somebody please show me the definition where control = ban.
You CAN'T ensure that the undesirable elements can't get a gun since those are the elements that thumb their noses at ANY laws standing their way. If someone wants a gun, they steal one from someone who legally has one. Using knives, lead pipes, or baseball bats on sleeping individuals whose household security isn't 100% impervious.

Therefore, one way to control the Murderous Tendency cases and prevent them from getting a gun illegally is to ban ALL guns and confiscate them so that none are exposed to theft. THAT is how 'control' becomes 'ban' in a heartbeat.

There are other ways to prevent these undesirables from getting guns. You COULD just start looking at folks to decide if they are undesirables and then lock them up on concentration camps or just outright kill them BEFORE they graduate to stealing guns. Of course, if you have an original thought that conflicts with current government policy, YOU become an undesirable. Hope you have that gun as a deterrent.

Seems to me that when Hitler ordered all privately held guns to be confiscated, it was because he didn't want people shooting back at the cops or military trying to arrest the non-Aryans. Which led to some pretty serious government atrocities because nobody was able to resist effectively when the folks that Hitler didn't desire got sent to concentration camps or death camps.

That actually happened starting a little over 75 years ago. Those who refuse to understand history are doomed to repeat it.
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@ NG, down side is there are those who won't understand the reference. Of course for myself, Pink Floyd Dry isn't as good... :-)
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Doesn’t surprise me you two “got it”
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Did ban in UK start with ban, or did it start with control? Just asking. I don't know.

BTW:Brian I stayed away from this thread for just the same reason, but on the other side of the coin
Since no one has come forward with an answer to my ban/control question is probably a good bet control came first. So my next question are stun guns banded in UK? Just asking, I don't know. https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ma.../17/id/854984/
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Since no one has come forward with an answer to my ban/control question is probably a good bet control came first. So my next question are stun guns banded in UK? Just asking, I don't know. https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ma.../17/id/854984/
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