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Old 07-17-2017, 12:42 PM   #31
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Re: Why do you thinkd Brexit and Trump happened? Watt's Up With That?

jlavin,

I am with you on term limitations for all elected federal officials. It used to be that Sen. Robert Byrd of W. Virginia had so much power that there was no way to get a road appropriation for any other state unless your appropriation had something in it for West Virginia. That was how you bribed him to get his vote on your bill.

There are quite a few things I would rather see happen to Congress. One that will never be passed unless by Initiative and Referendum would be that all Healthcare decisions made by Congress for the USA citizens would HAVE to also apply to them. I.e. if WE have to swallow Obamacare, THEY should have had to swallow it, too. They are too insulated from their own decisions sometimes.

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Old 07-17-2017, 02:37 PM   #32
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Re: Why do you thinkd Brexit and Trump happened? Watt's Up With That?

Doc, I agree with your point on Healthcare. It should apply more generally ---that is, if elected officials are voting on something that applies to the public at large, the resulting decision should include them. Too often elected officials seem to be, and act, entitled with a status above the ordinary citizen. We might see more cooperative, productive bilateral analysis and design if they were affected by the results.
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:41 PM   #33
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Yes. Or even >>>gasp<<< cooperation.

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Old 07-18-2017, 03:20 AM   #34
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Just as a quick FYI - under current law, Congress and its staff are actually REQUIRED to get their health insurance from the Marketplace (aka Obamacare).

Nearly every iteration of the current GOP tax cut for rich people (aka AHCA), on the other hand, removes that requirement.

Also, not only did the Republican party do nothing but obstruct government in every way they possibly could since Obama first won the White House (remember that tape that got leaked of them agreeing to block everything and anything the Dems tried as long as Obama was in office?), but they've made clear since Trump's election that even a semblance of bipartisanship is a complete non-starter. Just look at McConnel - his very phrasing when he talks about working with Democrats shows that he considers bipartisanship a desperation move, not something to be done as a matter of course.

Hell, the entire reason the Democrats changed the rules to disallow filibusters on cabinet officials was because the GOP abused it to the point of Obama not being able to get ANY nominations approved, no matter how centrist.
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Old 07-18-2017, 05:16 AM   #35
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Don't disagree as to who started it, Frothy. I just wish there was a way to end it, and I think term limits (as suggested by jlavin) would be a step in the right direction. I just doubt the ability of Congress to limit itself in this way.

For one thing, the big-ticket vote buyers would HATE it because it would mean that every so often they would have to buy someone else. With the status quo they only have to "really" buy someone once and then just pay maintenance.
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Re: Why do you thinkd Brexit and Trump happened? Watt's Up With That?

The Republicans could have had a massive win. Had they just waited until the higher premiums from Obama care kicked in. People would have demanded relief, but the dumbasses will probably get blamed for that too.

I say leave it alone.
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Re: Why do you thinkd Brexit and Trump happened? Watt's Up With That?

There is an overlooked aspect in the ACA debacle. Yes, the Republicans are involved in a civil-war and are apparently paralyzed. That is actually "good" in terms of how a democratic society is supposed to operate.

Contrast this with the Democrats who march in lock-step blindly implementing Party talking points. The Democratic party is acting as a monolith, no dissension allowed. From the perspective of how a democracy is supposed to operate that is "bad".

Furthermore, note that the Democrats are essentially standing in the background and not offering any proposed solutions for fixing the ACA. There is nothing preventing them from either introducing legislation and/or having a very public news conference where they lay out a draft for fixing the ACA. In fact they could probably make some good political points with such a strategy. The fact that the Democrats are locking themselves out of any proposed solution, implies that they are purposely sabotaging the legislative process for their own self-serving benefit. Seems that the Democrats would rather let their "baby" drown instead of jumping in the water to save it.

PS: Schumer, on TV just claimed, that the bi-partisan door is open. But Schumer, if one reads between the lines, implies that the door is open only if the Republicans acquiesce to work with the Democrats as opposed to the Democrats mutually working with Republicans. Furthermore, Schumer did not disclosing what (if any) the Democrats would be willing to put on the negotiating table. Based on verbal gymnastics, Schumer is only suggesting faux negotiations, nothing substantive.

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Don't disagree as to who started it, Frothy. I just wish there was a way to end it, and I think term limits (as suggested by jlavin) would be a step in the right direction. I just doubt the ability of Congress to limit itself in this way.

For one thing, the big-ticket vote buyers would HATE it because it would mean that every so often they would have to buy someone else. With the status quo they only have to "really" buy someone once and then just pay maintenance.
For once, you and I agree on something!
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...And I think we're probably in that position where we'll just let Obamacare fail. We're not going to own it.
Smart move. Take the hit on the failed promise, and move on.

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