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Old 07-06-2019, 06:31 AM   #376
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...-space-weather

The Solar Minimum - now there is the 187 year Grand Solar minimum - plenty of new articles about a mini-ice age.
"“We see a cooling trend,” says Martin Mlynczak of NASA’s Langley Research Center. “High above Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.”

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The Founder of Green Peace in Canada has documented that higher CO2 levels make trees and plants grow faster. This has lead to food to populate the Earth. CO2 levels are no higher than they were in past Earth cycles.

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Here is a simple, logical, been done before climate change solution:-

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"Crowther emphasised that it remains vital to reverse the current trends of rising greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuel burning and forest destruction, and bring them down to zero. He said this is needed to stop the climate crisis becoming even worse and because the forest restoration envisaged would take 50-100 years to have its full effect of removing 200bn tonnes of carbon."
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Antarctic sea ice is now DECLINING dramatically

When this thread was started back in 2015, Antarctic sea ice had indeed been rising for reasons explained earlier in the thread. The maximum amount was in 2014

However new research has confirmed a dramatic fall since 2014 and levels are now at the lowest for around 40 years A brief upturn in 2017 has since been reversed. Overall as much sea ice has been lost from the Antarctic in 4 years as the Arctic lost in 34 years. Reasons for this dramatic drop are not yet understood

There are many online articles about this new research. For example:
https://www.newscientist.com/article...dont-know-why/

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New study confirms C02 is having very little effect on global warming:-

https://www.rt.com/news/464051-finni...dence-warming/

As always, I'm interested in respectful discussion.

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Re: NASA Study Indicates Antarctica is Gaining More Ice Than It's Losing -

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As always, I'm interested in respectful discussion.
If that were true you wouldn't post contrary views designed to make liberals head explode.
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If that were true you wouldn't post contrary views designed to make liberals head explode.
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Interesting how nobody has chosen to respond to my last post stating the Antarctic sea ice has in fact been declining markedly for the past 5 years!
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Interesting how nobody has chosen to respond to my last post stating the Antarctic sea ice has in fact been declining markedly for the past 5 years!
The left enjoys their manufactured support from their allies in the media. Where as the right struggles to find a few brave souls to poke their heads out of the FOXHOLE, pardon the pun.

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Old 07-13-2019, 07:10 AM   #383
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Re: NASA Study Indicates Antarctica is Gaining More Ice Than It's Losing -

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The left enjoys their manufactured support from their allies in the media. Where as the right struggles to find a few brave souls to poke their heads out of the FOXHOLE, pardon the pun.
A clear example of the liberals disingenuous attitude towards respectful discussion.

Megan Rapinoe says she will talk to anyone who ‘believes the same things we believe in’

From the Washington Examiner.

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U.S. soccer star Megan Rapinoe said she would only accept invitations to visit Washington or have conversations with people who believe the same things she does.

“Yes to AOC, yes to Nancy Pelosi,” Rapinoe said Tuesday about which people she would accept invitations to visit Washington from. “Yes to the bipartisan Congress, yes to Chuck Schumer, yes to anyone else that wants to invite us and have a real, substantive conversation, and that believes in the same things we believe in.”
Then there is Hillary Clinton's infamous remark: "you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for." until the Democrats are back in power. Ms. Clinton claim that Republicans want to "destroy" Republicans is an over-the-top hyperbolic accusative offensive opinion and a projection of what the liberals are doing to Republicans by refusing to participate in a respectful discussion.

Hillary Clinton Says Democrats Can't Be Civil Until They're Back in Power
Pastor formerly imprisoned in Turkey 'astounded' by mounting hostility to Christian faith in U.S.
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“For example, you don’t get an LGBTQ activist going to a Muslim bakery in Dearborn, Michigan, demanding that this Muslim create a cake celebrating a wedding that he disagrees with, according to his belief in the Koran,” said Mr. Brunson. “I don’t think that Muslim should be pressured. I want them to have freedom of religion here, but the Christian is being pressured.”
Getting back to the US soccer team and LGBTQ activism: U.S. women's team snub of Christian player roils soccer
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In 2017, Hinkle turned down a call-up from the national team for a pair of international friendlies after learning that the players would wear rainbow-themed jerseys in honor of Gay Pride Month. She said later that the uniform conflicted with her Christian faith.
The implication is that the LGBTQ can "force" honoring gay pride on the non-believers. Tolerance, including respectful discussion, must allow for those on the other side of any issue to have their rights respected and upheld.

I haven't yet come-up with a segue to the Antarctic ice theme. Working on it.
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Old 07-13-2019, 08:35 PM   #384
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Re: Antarctic sea ice is now DECLINING dramatically

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When this thread was started back in 2015, Antarctic sea ice had indeed been rising for reasons explained earlier in the thread. The maximum amount was in 2014

However new research has confirmed a dramatic fall since 2014 and levels are now at the lowest for around 40 years A brief upturn in 2017 has since been reversed. Overall as much sea ice has been lost from the Antarctic in 4 years as the Arctic lost in 34 years. Reasons for this dramatic drop are not yet understood

There are many online articles about this new research. For example:
https://www.newscientist.com/article...dont-know-why/
Interesting read. I'm really wishing we had a much better grasp of how much ice is "Normal", something that will take a fairly long time to determine. It does beg the question how much ice is expected to melt each year and how much gained through storms? Is this a rebound due to unusually heavy snows or is this just a normal adjustment that occurs?

Unfortunately I've a feeling we'd need centuries of data to accurately forecast what is going to happen in a few years.
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Interesting read. I'm really wishing we had a much better grasp of how much ice is "Normal", something that will take a fairly long time to determine. It does beg the question how much ice is expected to melt each year and how much gained through storms? Is this a rebound due to unusually heavy snows or is this just a normal adjustment that occurs?

Unfortunately I've a feeling we'd need centuries of data to accurately forecast what is going to happen in a few years.
Thanks for responding to the research and for doing so without bringing in irrelevant political viewpoints.

I believe that detailed measurements only started in 1979 when satellite coverage made the task feasible. Since then there has been a steady increase each decade (with seasonal variations). The recent dramatic decline may be an aberration or an indication of something else. At this stage, nobody knows for sure. However the geography of the Antarctic (a large continent with high mountains) makes its climate very different from the Arctic and the reasons for changes in sea ice at each pole may be totally unrelated.
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Re: NASA Study Indicates Antarctica is Gaining More Ice Than It's Losing -

Found this as a response to the question about whether scientists will yield to political pressures. Colin, the problem about bringing in "irrelevant political viewpoints" is that if political viewpoints are the motive behind the discussion, they aren't irrelevant.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe.../#2a28654668a3

Read the quotes from some of the scientists who acknowledge that the whole global warming thing was about finding ways to scare people into redistributing wealth. Some of the quotes will literally admit to using scare tactics. In particular, I invite you to read the quotes from IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer; Stephen Schneider, author of The Genesis Strategy; Kevin Trenberth, a lead author of 2001 and 2007 IPCC report chapters; Tom Wigley of the National Center for Atmospheric Research; and there are several others.

I want to be clear: I do not deny that some kind of climate change is under way. I question the cause, not the effect. I question whether anything CAN be done about the changes we see. AND I am disgusted by the outright lies that have been published in the name of science.

I am sorry that some people here believe I am a victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect. However, when you look up that effect, the articles on the subject make it clear that it applies even to people who are experienced in a given field. Am I wrong? Is someone else wrong? Only time will tell. I have no illusions on that point.

I see results published based on methods that are highly suspicious. The article I posted contains many quotes from other folks, experts in this field, who also find reason to question what is being claimed. One of the quotes expressly called out Michael Man''s "Hockey Stick" graph as a fabrication. I will repeat that I could be wrong about this, but my doubts are founded in an understanding of scientific publications and years of work in basic research before I shifted over to corporate America.

The unkind attitude of some people (here AND elsewhere) is akin to religious fervor, which in my mind is indicative of a cognitive dissonance. If the Dunning-Kruger effect has a more likely target, it is someone whose is so deeply invested in something that the dissonance clouds their judgment. I have no investment in a given result. I merely have strong doubt about the methods. I leave it to others to decide individually.
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Found this as a response to the question about whether scientists will yield to political pressures. Colin, the problem about bringing in "irrelevant political viewpoints" is that if political viewpoints are the motive behind the discussion, they aren't irrelevant.
This was mainly a response to posts such as #382 & #383.

The research into changes in Antarctic sea ice over time was pure data and made no conclusions about cause or effect.
Just as the previous increase over several decades in Antarctic ice should never have been considered an indication that climate change was a fallacy, the current significant decline should not at this stage be considered as a direct result of global warming.

The link was interesting but the points made by the author about selective use of data apply equally to those who deny that climate change is real as well as those who accept it is happening but deny the links to greenhouse gas emissions
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Re: Antarctic sea ice is now DECLINING dramatically

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Thanks for responding to the research and for doing so without bringing in irrelevant political viewpoints.

I believe that detailed measurements only started in 1979 when satellite coverage made the task feasible. Since then there has been a steady increase each decade (with seasonal variations). The recent dramatic decline may be an aberration or an indication of something else. At this stage, nobody knows for sure. However the geography of the Antarctic (a large continent with high mountains) makes its climate very different from the Arctic and the reasons for changes in sea ice at each pole may be totally unrelated.
Issue that few want to talk about though is that the way ice thickness is measured has changed since reading started. They have gotten better and better at getting a good read, but they are still using past data that has a fair margin of error compared to current reads. Since they do have a margin of error you find people deciding to "Adjust" based on this margin, up or down, to support a position. I do wonder what future generations will think of us through their own lens of understanding. Will they look back an ask "Why would they make a fuss over something so obvious?"
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Thanks for responding to the research and for doing so without bringing in irrelevant political viewpoints.
Huh, this whole scam is pollical are you kidding. One of the architects of the "New Green deal" pretty much admitted it. It's about moving Benjamin's around.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...limate-change/
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Huh, this whole scam is pollical are you kidding. One of the architects of the "New Green deal" pretty much admitted it. It's about moving Benjamin's around.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...limate-change/
Did you actually bother to read either of the articles I quoted before responding?
If so, please explain where there is bias in either article

Or are you implying that raw satellite data is political?
Or that all science is political so you never bother to check anything?

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