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Old 12-07-2019, 03:23 PM   #16
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Are you frequently posting from a cell phone on this forum? That would explain using common cell-phone shorthand. It also would give you the excuse that from a phone, a long message isn't so often an easy thing to do. On a regular keyboard from a real PC, shorthand is an annoyance to those of us who have to read it.
i appreciate your comments richard. the answer is NO, I rarely, if ever, post anything on this forum or any other forum I'm part of, from a cell phone. It's always from a laptop. I guess I've never heard anyone, over 10 years now, other than you, say that shorthand stuff like "ur", "prolly" and the like was annoying to read. Although I think isladogs said something about my use of "prolly". To me, it's just a way of writing a quicker message, and most people understand what it means anyway, don't they?

Is this a generational gap argument between you and I perhaps?
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Doc, I just wanted to say if somebody is criticizing others for poor or mistakes in writing or usage of words, at least he himself should use correct words in criticizing. Even if it's sent from a phone. He had a lot of mistakes telling others' English is not proper.
Adam, I'm sorry. I didn't meant to be rude
it's no big deal Tera. All I was saying to the recruiter was that it was blatantly obvious that the test writer was from India or China. and it's still well known that idiotic America is taking advantage of those heavily populated countries by employing people who have high level skills for just pennies, which of course is BS. And this is just another case of that crap happening. and of course, they always get what they pay for, just like in this case!

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Whether its a generation gap or not, I also find your continual use of shorthand both irritating and a distraction to the point you are trying to convey. Whether its 'prolly' or 'cuz' or 'u r' or 'enuf' or any of the other shortened words you employ regularly, using text speak is off putting for me to read and I suspect for many others.

Tera was right to pick you up in this particular example. You criticized a non-native English speaker for their use of English yet your own grammar and spelling was dreadful.
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ok then. i'll stop. it doesn't matter to me either way, but I sure don't wanna be ousted again from here just because of this marginal issue.

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ok then. i'll stop. it doesn't matter to me either way, but I sure don't wanna be ousted again from here just because of this marginal issue.
Pretty sure you just did it again, they tend to scrutinize the grammar first.
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Really? Then I guess I wasted my time pointing that out about a week ago. I don't think I called it annoying but that was the message I was politely trying to get across.
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Really? Then I guess I wasted my time pointing that out about a week ago. I don't think I called it annoying but that was the message I was politely trying to get across.
well as you can probably tell by now Micron, I don't pay much attention to these things, which I've always considered "marginal" at best. But like I've already said, I'll stop doing it since so many people here seem to be against it. I write this way on the net but I certainly don't speak that way in real life. That's one of the reason I hate internet communication. It's so impersonal. I don't see how people can instill any trust by doing it.
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Bingo! My kids seem to all prefer texting and I think it's stupid. It takes 30 minutes for 2 people to complete a text 'conversation' that can be accomplished in 2 minutes, and texting is way less personal. Like I told you in the other post - what our brains can skip over and still correctly process is amazing - if it resembles what it's supposed to. Reading your stuff is like tongue twisters, but for the brain and eyes. In short, it's so much work that it borders on annoying (OK maybe for others is full blown annoying). I wonder if you've ever had to read much of it, or if you just write it and move on.

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No, Tera, your comments were not out of line considering we are in the Watercooler section. We try to avoid vulgarity, and actual name-calling is terribly frowned upon unless it is clearly in jest, but a dialog on linguistic skills doesn't, to me, cross any boundaries whatsoever.

As to 12 Angry Men, in my high school I was a cast member when we staged that play. (I played as the bigot, who was juror #10 as the script was presented to us.) Great play, great experience.

Back to topic, this thread has drifted to a discussion of skills or lack of same. I know that I try to watch my language and my syntax in answering any question. Many of us do that as a matter of course. But I have to also remember the Parable of the Sower and the Seeds. We cannot chastise a field just because it only yields 60 bushels of grain, not 80 or 100. The field is what it is and does what it does based on its ability. It is wrong to chastise something for being true to its nature.

Therefore, while calling out irony in Adam's statement, I tried to avoid rudeness as well. Which is why my comments included two tangential apologies for daring to answer the question he actually asked. What's that old saying? Beware of asking for what you want, you might actually get it.
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I wonder if you've ever had to read much of it, or if you just write it and move on.
if i'm answering a question, i never 'move on'. that would be like leaving someone out in the cold, the deep end of the pool, up the creek without a paddle. i re-read my own stuff all the time and I never have an issue following it.
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TDM - I think it's
Beware of what you ask for...
the inference being that it may not be what you really want.
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I've heard many variations, Micron. The implication either way is that you can ask but it is possible that what you requested wasn't in your own best interests.
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i re-read my own stuff all the time and I never have an issue following it.
Interesting. Then being the author, you must have some sort of 'mental map' that allows you to process such words much easier. To be clear, I'm saying it's actually hard to read. I'm not sure if the objections of some others are only about poor grammar or not.
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I'm not sure if the objections of some others are only about poor grammar or not.
it's funny you mention that Micron, because most of the software and hardware people I've worked with in my short career have absolutely horrible grammar usage when they talk in person, and I'm not just talking about the foreigners either. actually when it comes to this issue, the foreigners are better than the US citizens! I've even had supervisors fall into this category of people with poor grammar.
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I don't want to imply that my grammar is impeccable as I probably violate rules around using "who" when I should use "whom" or some other obscure rule. Plus, don't ask me about things like "dangling participle" because every time I look it up, I remember what that means for about a day at most. I just Googled 'common grammar errors" and came across a test that I took for fun. It was too easy - got 15 out of 15. I'm going to look for a more challenging one. What was interesting is that what I thought might have been more about spelling they characterized as grammar errors. Improper use of lose/loose; losing/loosing; vice/vise; break/brake; then/than; advise/advice is becoming very prevalent and I don't think it's because of English being a second language. If you grew up in North America (OK, or UK) you should know the difference between then and than for crying out loud. If not, then I admire anyone who can communicate in English at any level because they're better at it than I am at any other language.

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In my experience across multiple forums, many respondents whose spelling and grammar are both excellent are those for whom English isn't their first language

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