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scott-atkinson

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Guys,

What are your views on the long term effect if any of the Northern Rock crisis?

Do you feel that the savers with NR will be trusting the Government pledge to guarantee their savings.

Do you feel that Mortgages will be harder to come by now, or that even house prices will crash as a result?

Should we be worried at all?

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I'll be happy if house prices crash. I want one.

I don't know, no consideration for the people who already own a house.

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Mortgages will not be harder to come by. This is now a live-on-credit world, if people want money, banks will lend it. They don't give a stuff if you fail to pay it back, they'll kick you out and reposess without a second thought.

When we got our first mortgage, there was a waiting list to go on before you were even considered for a loan, and it was a max of x3 of your joint salaries. If you couldn't get a house with that then it was tough luck.

It's too easy to get mortgages these days - some banks are doing x7 of the salaries.

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Globalisation and capitalism suck - British pensioners queueing in the rain throught the fault of greedy yankee banks and good for nothing yankees defaulters!
 

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Cos he can sell at a huge profit - pretty simple Rich

I bought my house for around 200k 5 years ago - its now worth around 550k.

I am now about to downsize to a flat - for 200k.

Without the stupid prices rises I would only have around 120k in the bank after the sale - whereas now I'm closer to 400k.

Ah - If only it was actually true!
 

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Anyone who downsizes is quids in too! That profit would be pretty useful - if you can't make use of any profit you may be lucky enough to get Rich - pass it on to me - I'll find it very useful.

Anyway theres two answers to your question.
 
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The only time one downsizes is when one's family have fled the nest and one doesn't want room for any grandchildren, the only people making bags of money at the minute are developers, estate agents, solicitors, and banks!:mad:
The facility of moving up the ladder for a relatively small amount has gone
 

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Theres always those - who have bought their family home - and who have parents who didn't downsize so the grandkids could come round to stay - when the grandparents pop their clogs - Chhh CHH INNGGG!

Theres 3 answers Rich!

On the other hand you are right its harder to move up the ladder - but the labour party seems to want the gap between rich and poor to grow.

Oh yes MPs benefit too - on top of their pay - they get expenses - which includes paying their mortgage on a second home I believe! So they get a huge profit on a house they didn't buy - and won't need when they aren't an MP.
 
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Theres always those - who have bought their family home - and who have parents who didn't downsize so the grandkids could come round to stay - when the grandparents pop their clogs - Chhh CHH INNGGG!

Nah, the latest school of thought is for parents/grandparents to mortgage the house up to the hilt, have a good time on the proceeds and leave the new mortgage for the offspring to inherit:cool:
 

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Nah, the latest school of thought is for parents/grandparents to mortgage the house up to the hilt, have a good time on the proceeds and leave the new mortgage for the offspring to inherit

I make that 4 answers to your original question then.
 
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I make that 4 answers to your original question then.

All of which assume that I as an individual see the absurd rise in house prices here as benificial to me, none of them are, either financially or philosophically
 

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Theres winners and losers in everything Rich - just so happens that you are a loser!:rolleyes:
 
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Rich - just so happens that you are a loser!:rolleyes:

Along with the millions of other poor sodding kids who don't stand a hope in hell of getting on the housing market anymore eh:rolleyes:
Still you must gain some comfort from the fact of after ten years of Bliars extreme right wing socialism that the so many place more on individual wealth and the number of "losers" has shot through the roof, still this fixation with looking at a home with the dollar sign in mind does wonders for the likes of Colin & Justin eh:rolleyes:
 

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Rich ,
thats depends, if you started to save just a little when you lets say 16 - and the average age someone buys a property is 27-28 you got 11 yars to save 10 % of the cost - depending where you live , let assume the average of 200K you probably need to be on a income at that age of around 35-40K
and you probably need a deposit of £20,000- that works out roughly at around 75-80 per months (compound interest- investements etc)


However you could always go for a homebuild - say a straw building these cost about 60-70% of a normal build - but involve more hands on working by yourself.

there are house boats at around £150K (if you are prepared to do work on one of these and convert a barge these you can pick up for around 20-30K spend another 40-50 k and you have a nic e des res..
old train carrages can make cheap conversions - espiceally tube ones (cheaper) - problem here is the land to park them on

Moble homes go for about 20-30K - if you no kids and no pets and a good way to save up for a proper home - or while you are doing a home build

a lot of the problem is that everyone wants a 3-4 bedroom house with a garage and a big garden , now this will push the price up - look at the alternatives,

look at the auction houses there are old water pump stations - good for conversions, - but you got to put the work in

my first house need the whole of the front and back removing and replacing- - I did the destructive work and the humping and grunting work - and let the builders build - cost savings on doing this way was about 5-6K -

If you look at some of the alternatives - old cargo pallets (the big metal boxes that are shipped around the world, again bolt 2 or 3 of these together and they make decent homes, old nissan huts - are fantastic - look for these on the webside

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thats depends, if you started to save just a little when you lets say 16 - and the average age someone buys a property is 27-28 you got 11 yars to save 10 % of the cost - depending where you live , let assume the average of 200K you probably need to be on a income at that age of around 35-40K
and you probably need a deposit of £20,000- that works out roughly at around 75-80 per months (compound interest- investements etc)

Where does their housing cost (prior to that 28yrs) fit into the savings equation Gary? The fact remains that for ten years of Bliars leadership the reason for one wanting to own their own home has changed from providing a secure and relatively safe family home into a get rich quick mass market, it is not sustainable. There are those of us who remember the last crash and the reasons for it, course we're labelled as losers for not changing what we had in the first place. Should I come back with a smug grin next year when it's all gone tits up. Banks have been caught with pants down visa-vis lending to the Yanks, the last time they had lent too much to the likes of Brazil etc.
 

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hmmm.
depends on how you look at it - if you look at your home as a home and not an investment

if you looking at housing as an investment then your right - but if the housing markets goes pear shaped , I would be no worse off , if fact the leap from my house to the next one up would be cheaper
currently my house is around 225K but the next level up is about 300 - 325


thats about 100K
now if they all collapse then the difference between mine and the next one up will be less than 100K - more affordable

however i am not looking at this as an invetment nor am I looking at the price of my house now compared to when i bought it -, the main thing is that I have a roof over my head increases in value mean nothing until I down size/grade or emigrate
I am happy with what i've got
 

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