hey, in reference to you post on 6/21/08, the sample main menu DB, i find this to be a really great starting point to a database i am currently working on. the only question i have is, it would seem your set up of the menu limits the user to adding upto 6 options per group and any amount after that makes it look all odd. i have done a lot of tinkering around with it, but to no luck. i was wondering/hoping that you would be able to revisit this DB and assist me in this matter? thanks!