Are these things true?

[Isaac]

"Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn’t be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and "TRUMP," will never be able to settle," Trump wrote in a scathing rebuke Wednesday morning,

"The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe, and Europe's money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back.

"Why didn't Sleepy Joe Biden demand Equalization, in that this War is far more important to Europe than it is to us — We have a big, beautiful Ocean as separation.

"On top of this, Zelenskyy admits that half of the money we sent him is 'MISSING.'

Interestingly, Trump brings up a number of things the mainstream media will not mention, and portrays a certain perspective, you can call it "Russan propoganda" or not, but are any of those claims not substantially true? If not, why?

 

[moke123]

It's trump. Is this a serious question? I take it either fox isn't covering it or you haven't turned on a TV today.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/19/politics/fact-check-trumps-lies-about-zelensky-and-ukraine/index.html

 

[Isaac]

Read this post in context with my other post, Free Speech. I've read cnn from top to bottom, and as I asserted in my other thread I started today, most of the things they rate as 'false' , really aren't false.

- the 'who started the war' I already dealt with in my other post, it's subjective
- the 4% rating could be based on any particular poll, CNN tried to debunk it by mentioning one at random - hardly persuasive
- the missing money is a matter of semantics. Trump says he admits it is missing, CNN says oh it's not missing, rather, "doesn’t know where all the professed additional money has gone". I'll leave you to figure that one out yourself.

The 350 billion number, I have no idea. CNN says it's false, but I don't trust their assertion with no evidence, nor do I trust Trump's.

I do know the parliament itself says that the US has given far more than the EU.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9477/

Do you trust CNN over the EU's own figures??

So the question isn't really have I turned on the TV today (I don't watch tv anyway), it's "how many blind assertions are you willing to believe to even make it through that CNN article with zero evidence?"

 

[Pat Hartman]

nor do I trust Trump's.

Many/most of the "lies" Trump has been accused of over the years have proven to actually be true. Let us not forget that Trump gets security briefings that are filtered by some bureaucrat before being released to the public. For example, the bureaucrats have to lie about the death toll in Ukraine in order to keep the American public OK with sending more money. Same for negative things about Zelenskyy. Trump sees actual numbers and battlefield photos that we never see. Zelenskyy has canceled elections yet again. Why? He has no local support and would lose hands down. So, we are propping up a dictator who is very likely stealing us blind if you believe the reports of how much jewelry his wife buys each time they come to beg from Congress.

 

[moke123]

Zelenskyy has canceled elections yet again. Why? He has no local support and would lose hands down.

Under Ukraine’s constitution, it is not legal to hold national elections during a period of martial law.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Under Ukraine’s constitution, it is not legal to hold national elections during a period of martial law.

Pretty convenient. Too bad Biden didn't think of that one. The President doesn't have to have a real reason to enforce martial law, so that wouldn't stop the Dems.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Think and Biden should never be in the same sentence.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Think and Biden should never be in the same sentence.

Sorry, I lost my mind.

 

[Isaac]

Under Ukraine’s constitution, it is not legal to hold national elections during a period of martial law.

Right so indirectly by declaring martial law what do you suppose he did? It's the same thing just said differently

 

[AccessBlaster]

 

[moke123]

So, we are propping up a dictator who is very likely stealing us blind if you believe the reports of how much jewelry his wife buys each time they come to beg from Congress.

Social Media Posts Claim Zelensky's Wife Spent Millions On Bugatti Sportscar

The phenomenon of misinformation and disinformation thrives on social media not only due to cognitive biases but also through the nuances of narrative psychology

www.forbes.com

 

[Pat Hartman]

As usual, the debunk is as meaningless as the original post since we can never trust the "debunkers" since they did nothing but lie about Trump and COVID and masks and the efficacy of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, etc., etc. etc.. Lies, Lies, and damn lies. If you will lie about Trump and everthing else, we can't trust you with anything. No credibility. I don't believe Zelensky and his wife would be this stupid so I am not inclined to believe the accusation to begin with. I only mentioned it in passing. How did I know it would be moke who would link to a "debunk". How about all those other debunks that were lies or partial truths? When you link to the pages where the debunkers take back their lies, we can discuss this one

 

[moke123]

How about all those other debunks that were lies or partial truths?

which ones?

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Sorry, I lost my mind.

Joe may have beaten you to that status.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Lies, Lies, and damn lies.

Similar to Mark Twain's quote - which I have to update.

There are lies, damned lies, statistics, ... and political promises from progressive liberals. But of course, Mark Twain couldn't have said the last part because the progressive liberals hadn't shown their ugly faces yet.

 

[Isaac]

which ones?

I've made several posts recently, new threads in fact, which demonstrate this phenomena. You can look at them for yourself. They have to do with CNN saying things are false that aren't really false, like so-called debunking

 

[Pat Hartman]

which ones?

Really? Are we going to rehash the bogus lawsuits and impeachments from the past EIGHT years? Let us remember it was Hillary and her election campaign who were fined over $100,000 for the lie of the Steele dossier and which the FBI itself had to distance itself from due to its inability to verify "facts". Trump ON VIDEO TAPE on Charlottesville clarifying his statement in real time and people are STILL LYING about that one. The staged photos implying that the office of a Billionaire had papers all over the floor of his office which were marked "secret".

This isn't even remotely amusing moke.

 

[Isaac]

Really? Are we going to rehash the bogus lawsuits and impeachments from the past EIGHT years? Let us remember it was Hillary and her election campaign who were fined over $100,000 for the lie of the Steele dossier and which the FBI itself had to distance itself from due to its inability to verify "facts". Trump ON VIDEO TAPE on Charlottesville clarifying his statement in real time and people are STILL LYING about that one. The staged photos implying that the office of a Billionaire had papers all over the floor of his office which were marked "secret".

This isn't even remotely amusing moke.

As I said, they try to drown you in evidence requests for widely stipulated known truths. It's a major tactic.

 

[Pat Hartman]

And let's not forget the "laptop from hell" which 53 "experts" said was Russian disinformation and so who consequently lost their security clearance. But there are still thousands more people with security clearance lying to the public on a daily basis about all sorts of things like the efficacy of COVID vaccines, other treatments, and masks as well as the number of causalities in the Ukraine war to mention just two more things we are constantly lied to about. Biden had to pardon a whole slew of people for any and all "crimes" over a period of 10 years because of the "Russian disinformation" on the non-existent laptop. And Biden PERSONALLY profited from the pardons. So don't even think about comparing Biden's blanket pardons with Trump's targeted pardons.

 

[Isaac]

Supreme Court to hear arguments in straight woman’s 'reverse' discrimination appeal

As the White House targets DEI initiatives, the justices will consider the rules for bringing employment discrimination claims.

www.msnbc.com

It's amazing to me that they even have to question the simple principle that you can't discriminate against anybody, yes including white people and straight people, on the basis of race or protected class.

DEI has always been a way of just solving the problem of past discrimination by implementing MORE discrimination going in the other direction, which was always an incredibly stupid idea that was highly unlikely to be abided by citizens.

It's not reverse discrimination - it's just discrimination!