Cyber bullying - fact or fiction? (1 Viewer)

[Vassago]

And the two party system really hasn't worked. Parties have come and gone. Of course, historically they weren't severely funded by corporate interests who control them.

 

[Dick7Access]

You seem very dead set against "liberals" but liberal in what sense? Domestically? Internationally? Economically? Socially? There are a lot of different factors that come into play on any value or ideal that a label like "liberal" and "conservative" just don't cover. I'm pretty much mixed as most people fall. I prefer "human."

How true. I consider myself conservative, but in a few areas I probable don't fit the mold.

 

[marot90]

Sooo, a 18 pages long thread about cyber bullying started by someone who either is ignorant about bullying or even enjoys it.
There is little point in convicing Col otherwise i guess, so this is more to anyone else:

Yes, Cyberbullying doesnt seem to be as bad as "real" bullying, since basically you have a physical barrier between you and the bully. The real problem are not the traditional bullies, but the people, who normally wouldnt bully someone in real life. So why do they do it online? Because the inhibition level to do so is much lower. They dont have to look at the victim and they probably wont see his reactions. So why would you bother insulting someone?

Thats teh thing i really, REALLY hate about the internet, that the moral awareness just couldnt develop at the same speed, that people got more and anynomous. You could even compare this with military training (at least in the past), where soldiers were told that the enemy isnt really human, but inferior, thus systematically reducing the inhibition treshold. So thats my 2 cents, and if someone wants to know, no i am not a native speaker.

 

[Vassago]

Sooo, a 18 pages long thread about cyber bullying started by someone who either is ignorant about bullying or even enjoys it.
There is little point in convicing Col otherwise i guess, so this is more to anyone else:

Yes, Cyberbullying doesnt seem to be as bad as "real" bullying, since basically you have a physical barrier between you and the bully. The real problem are not the traditional bullies, but the people, who normally wouldnt bully someone in real life. So why do they do it online? Because the inhibition level to do so is much lower. They dont have to look at the victim and they probably wont see his reactions. So why would you bother insulting someone?

Thats teh thing i really, REALLY hate about the internet, that the moral awareness just couldnt develop at the same speed, that people got more and anynomous. You could even compare this with military training (at least in the past), where soldiers were told that the enemy isnt really human, but inferior, thus systematically reducing the inhibition treshold. So thats my 2 cents, and if someone wants to know, no i am not a native speaker.

It's definitely WORSE than traditional bullying. If it goes viral, it becomes a non-stop bullying machine. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't see online pictures and videos with strangers they don't know as a form of bullying if the person involved doesn't purposely want it to spread. People can be cruel without even realizing they are doing it.

I'm guilty. I used to be one of them who would forward or "share" a picture in social media just because I got a slight chuckle without thinking about the implications it might have had to the individual(s) contained. Now I see things a little more clearly. I hope I can persuade people to see things this way. If it's not obvious that the person purposely shared it for the internet to see, be the better person and don't spread it. You never know the long term impact that can cause.

 

[scott-atkinson]

Sooo, a 18 pages long thread about cyber bullying started by someone who either is ignorant about bullying or even enjoys it.
There is little point in convicing Col otherwise i guess, so this is more to anyone else:

Yes, Cyberbullying doesnt seem to be as bad as "real" bullying, since basically you have a physical barrier between you and the bully. The real problem are not the traditional bullies, but the people, who normally wouldnt bully someone in real life. So why do they do it online? Because the inhibition level to do so is much lower. They dont have to look at the victim and they probably wont see his reactions. So why would you bother insulting someone?

Thats teh thing i really, REALLY hate about the internet, that the moral awareness just couldnt develop at the same speed, that people got more and anynomous. You could even compare this with military training (at least in the past), where soldiers were told that the enemy isnt really human, but inferior, thus systematically reducing the inhibition treshold. So thats my 2 cents, and if someone wants to know, no i am not a native speaker.

Cyberbullying is way worse than Physical bullying, a physical bully knows when to stop, a psychological anonymous bully does not, as they simply do not see the person they are victimizing, they cannot see their anguish, they cannot see their tears, they cannot see that rope around their neck or the bottle of open pills, they cannot see their lifeless bodies....

Hell some people even find it funny to bully after death, people set up memorandum Facebook pages that get trolled...

Again, I call for the anonymity for inclusion to Social Media sites to be taken away, a person must be able to be identified, only then do I feel that this sort of action will be stopped, or at least prevented in the future...

As I have said before on this thread, I am a 45 year old male in the UK, but I could sign up to facebook to be an 18 year old girl from Mexico if I was so inclined... there is nothing preventing me from doing that...

 

[Brianwarnock]

The physical or face to face psychological bully can be encouraged by seeing the effect of their bullying and may not care about stopping, I cannot see what pleasure a cyber bully can get, nor can I understand why the cyber bullied cannot treat the posts with indifference or just walk away, but as I said previously I'm not a youngster.

They need to get out of space and into the real world.

Brian

 

[marot90]

As is said, its not the conventional bullies that are the problem. Its the people that bully online without realizing it. And you cant get "out into the real world" as a teenager these days, because social media is a huge part of their social life. It would be like saying that you have to leave the town or school or whatever to evade traditional bullies. And for the argument: They dont have t read it. Well, when you get threatened to be killed or something like that by mail, you dont have to read that either, do you? And still you would probably be terrified, if you would get letters like that.

 

[scott-atkinson]

The physical or face to face psychological bully can be encouraged by seeing the effect of their bullying and may not care about stopping, I cannot see what pleasure a cyber bully can get, nor can I understand why the cyber bullied cannot treat the posts with indifference or just walk away, but as I said previously I'm not a youngster.

They need to get out of space and into the real world.

Brian

Brian,

I absolutely agree with you on the last point, when I was young teenager, I was out playing Kiss Chase, or falling off my bike, or kicking a ball around, but then we didn't have home PC's... In my middle Teenage years, I had acquired a Spectrum computer, I played games on it, and my friends came round and we played games together on it, I mixed my in Life with my Out Life quite successfully... roll on 30 years... PC's, Laptops are now widespread, the Internet has made remote people access easy... the In Life is the new Going Out Life for many teenagers... that is their life...
When that life is disrupted, and threatened they feel abused...

In my teenage years, if somebody called me a name they had to do it face to face, then risked me reacting by hitting them... now a name can be called by a faceless person, there is nobody to react to... Young teens today simply cannot switch off that life as it is all they know... in many cases, their parents are too preoccupied in their Living to Work cycle because they have to that the child's friends are on a screen...

 

[Brianwarnock]

As is said, its not the conventional bullies that are the problem. Its the people that bully online without realizing it. And you cant get "out into the real world" as a teenager these days, because social media is a huge part of their social life. It would be like saying that you have to leave the town or school or whatever to evade traditional bullies. And for the argument: They dont have t read it. Well, when you get threatened to be killed or something like that by mail, you dont have to read that either, do you? And still you would probably be terrified, if you would get letters like that.

If I got a letter then sure because it would mean that they know my address.
I don't accept any of your comparisons, switching off a social media site is in no way like leaving town.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

I understand what you are saying Scott, I just don't get it, but there may be hope.
The father of my grandchildren cannot sit down without burying his face in a screen, but the other day over a meal when he started messing on his smart phone a little hand reached over and closed it, my grandson, not yet 4 , said " don't play on your phone at the table daddy" , he would much rather we all talk, embarrassed his dad did just that.

Brian

 

[scott-atkinson]

I understand what you are saying Scott, I just don't get it, but there may be hope.
The father of my grandchildren cannot sit down without burying his face in a screen, but the other day over a meal when he started messing on his smart phone a little hand reached over and closed it, my grandson, not yet 4 , said " don't play on your phone at the table daddy" , he would much rather we all talk, embarrassed his dad did just that.

Brian

Good for the little 4 year old...

A friend of mine has had so many relationships breakdown including his latest marriage because he cannot simply turn off his online social life... it is an addiction, they say that if you do anything repeatedly for 28 days you are addicted to it... consider how many times people use Facebook... quite often the last thing you see at night before you go to sleep is not your wife but your smart phone...

 

[scott-atkinson]

If I got a letter then sure because it would mean that they know my address.
I don't accept any of your comparisons, switching off a social media site is in no way like leaving town.

Brian

I can relate to the comment made, Social Media for teens is a massive part of their lives, it is an addiction... leaving it behind would be like an addict trying to kick Heroin... the draw is always there to see what the latest update or news reel is, and what your 'friends' are doing...

There was a great carton doing the rounds online, showing a funeral, with a coffin and a handful of mourners, and the caption was of one of the mourners saying, "I thought there would have been a bigger turnout he had over 2000 friends on Facebook"

 

[Vassago]

If I got a letter then sure because it would mean that they know my address.
I don't accept any of your comparisons, switching off a social media site is in no way like leaving town.

Brian

Here's a lovely example of online bullying gone too far:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Amanda_Todd

You can't run away from online bullying by disconnecting from the internet. Your peers see it. Your friends see it. It's a never-ending train once it starts. Sure, she made a simple mistake at the beginning by allowing herself to be exposed online, but she didn't deserve to be bullied that far! This is why I always urge everyone to not forward pictures or videos online unless you know the person wanted it if it puts them in a negative light. You may not know them, but someone does. It can impact them for the rest of their lives.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Yes I know it happens and people suffer, but I still don't understand it and have said that that could be because I'm not a teenager.

I don't see that it matters who sees it so long as no face to face bullying takes place, surely friends will support you?

This girl had problems away from the cyber site.

Brian

 

[Vassago]

This girl had problems away from the cyber site.

Brian

Absolutely! But it doesn't mean it needs to be spread!

 

[Brianwarnock]

Absolutely! But it doesn't mean it needs to be spread!

I didn't say it did, but it may help to explain the outcome.

Brian

 

[scott-atkinson]

I think that if legislation of Social Media cannot be achieved, or more likely will not be offered by the site owners, then education is the major influencer we have...

Part of the schools curriculum must include online safety, Do's and Don'ts of using Social Media and the internet. This must be taught in Year 1 and every year thereafter. Children are using Technology at a very early age.

I think there needs to be a worldwide Opt In option for Pornography, this needs to be managed by the IP's not just by buying Protection software..

The technological age has moved on at pace, the laws governing and managing it, have not, and are wholly inadequate..

 

[scott-atkinson]

I know the bleeding heart liberals will cry foul over legislation of the Internet, Freedom of Speech and all that... but 1 child's death is one too many..

I know I cannot stop my children from using the internet, and when they get older I will not be able to stop them from using Social Media, the only ammunition I have is my limited experience, and I can offer education to them and do on what they should and shouldn't do whilst online..

Just as in real life, don't speak to strangers, tell an adult if anything happens that concerns you..

 

[SmallTomato]

I think that if legislation of Social Media cannot be achieved, or more likely will not be offered by the site owners, then education is the major influencer we have...

Part of the schools curriculum must include online safety, Do's and Don'ts of using Social Media and the internet. This must be taught in Year 1 and every year thereafter. Children are using Technology at a very early age.

I think there needs to be a worldwide Opt In option for Pornography, this needs to be managed by the IP's not just by buying Protection software..

The technological age has moved on at pace, the laws governing and managing it, have not, and are wholly inadequate..

Just out of curiosity, what kind of legislation would you like to see in regards to social media? I think one of the problems is legislation will never be able to keep up. It does not matter if they try to censor the internet or not, we have access to servers in other countries and easy ways to bypass almost all restrictions via TOR/VPN etc and even a 12 year old can figure it out.

 

[scott-atkinson]

Just out of curiosity, what kind of legislation would you like to see in regards to social media? I think one of the problems is legislation will never be able to keep up. It does not matter if they try to censor the internet or not, we have access to servers in other countries and easy ways to bypass almost all restrictions via TOR/VPN etc and even a 12 year old can figure it out.

What I have proposed earlier in this thread is for all Social Media sites to have a proving process to confirm the identity of the profile person..

Such as when creating a new profile, having a proof of age, such as a Passport Number, Social Security Number, Proof of Age card...etc... also only accepting profiles registered via a residential IP address, not a public one.. I know this information can be forged, but at least it is a start in the right direction..

As I have said before, I am a 45 year old male in the UK, yet I could tomorrow create a profile on Facebook and be an 18 year old Girl, there is nothing stopping me from doing this...If I register from an internet café, and only access facebook from an internet café I am invisible...