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Tariffs are perfectly fine when anyone other than Trump uses them to protect their markets. Japan, Germany, France, and the UK have been doing it for ages. That’s fine but because I’m a self-loathing liberal with a knee-jerk reaction to everything Trump does, I have to hate them, right?
 
Let' start with Article 1, Section Clause 1 of the Constitution

The Congress shall have power

To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises
So what is the President doing deciding tax rates on imports? There is nothing in the Constitution that gives Congress the authority to delegate its powers. Non-delegation doctrine. The taxation power is the core power of a legislature.

Trump claims he is exercising the authority delegated to him under EEPA. However, this does not meet the "intelligible principle" test used in the case J. W. Hampton, Jr. & Co. v. United States. There is no objective standard by which an emergency should be declared. His legal justifications have been shifting and the tariffs are unrelated to the issues raised.

Another problem is that EEPA does not give the power to levy tariffs at all. STATUTE-91-Pg1625.pdf

The tariffs also violate USMCA, a treaty negotiated by the President (Trump himself) and passed by the Senate (with separate enabling legislation passed by Congress).

All elected & appointed officials have sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution. It is time for the Republican Party to standup to the President and restrain his unconstitutional actions.
 
Tariffs are perfectly fine when anyone other than Trump uses them to protect their markets. Japan, Germany, France, and the UK have been doing it for ages. That’s fine but because I’m a self-loathing liberal with a knee-jerk reaction to everything Trump does, I have to hate them, right?
Tariffs are bad whoever imposes them. Biden's 100% tariff on Chinese EV's raised no revenue and deprived Americans of inexpensive high-quality cars (they are better than Teslas).

All the countries you listed are low tariff countries. Tariff Rates. The UK's free-trade policy goes back to the 1840's and played a major role in Britain's period of being financially dominant.

Free trade has long been the conservative position in the US. "The Republican Party believes that protectionist tariffs and quotas are detrimental to our economic well-being." --Republican Platform of 1980
 
The tariff discussion lacks some major concepts. From Grok:
Tariffs were the primary source of revenue for the U.S. federal government from its founding in 1789 through much of the 19th century. However, they ceased being the major source of income with the introduction and eventual dominance of the income tax in the early 20th century.
Additionally, Trump is using tariffs as a negotiating tool. 1) Many countries impose onerous tariffs on US products. That is not fair. Trump is attempting to level the playing field with faux "free trade". 2) Trump is trying to bring manufacturing back into the US by making foreign products more expensive. That will encourage US investors to build factories here and/or foreign investors to build factories in the US.
 
The tariff discussion lacks some major concepts. From Grok:

Additionally, Trump is using tariffs as a negotiating tool. 1) Many countries impose onerous tariffs on US products. That is not fair. Trump is attempting to level the playing field with faux "free trade". 2) Trump is trying to bring manufacturing back into the US by making foreign products more expensive. That will encourage US investors to build factories here and/or foreign investors to build factories in the US.
Most countries don't impose onerous tariffs on the US. Trump has been trying to undermine USMCA, an agreement which kept tariffs low in North America.

I am not sure what you mean by "not fair". Tariffs hurt the country that imposes them. Should the US imitate the bad policies of other countries in the name of "fairness"? Are Trump's tariffs unfair when they violate free trade agreements?

Why is bringing back manufacturing to the US by making foreign products more expensive a good thing? The higher prices reduce the standard of living of the American consumer and leaves the consumer with less money to buy other goods & services.

In any case, only the Congress not the President has the authority to levy taxes.
 
Let' start with Article 1, Section Clause 1 of the Constitution


So what is the President doing deciding tax rates on imports? There is nothing in the Constitution that gives Congress the authority to delegate its powers. Non-delegation doctrine. The taxation power is the core power of a legislature.

Trump claims he is exercising the authority delegated to him under EEPA. However, this does not meet the "intelligible principle" test used in the case J. W. Hampton, Jr. & Co. v. United States. There is no objective standard by which an emergency should be declared. His legal justifications have been shifting and the tariffs are unrelated to the issues raised.

Another problem is that EEPA does not give the power to levy tariffs at all. STATUTE-91-Pg1625.pdf

The tariffs also violate USMCA, a treaty negotiated by the President (Trump himself) and passed by the Senate (with separate enabling legislation passed by Congress).

All elected & appointed officials have sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution. It is time for the Republican Party to standup to the President and restrain his unconstitutional actions.
Ridiculous. And nobody but you is arguing this. There are several laws that give the president the power to impose tariffs under various conditions
 
Ridiculous. And nobody but you is arguing this. There are several laws that give the president the power to impose tariffs under various conditions
This is from today's Wall Street Journal.

President Trump delayed his Mexico-Canada tariffs again on Thursday—this time for another month. He’s treating the North American economy as a personal plaything, as markets gyrate with each presidential whim. It’s doubtful Mr. Trump even has the power to impose these tariffs, and we hope his afflatus gets a legal challenge.

***​

The Constitution gives power over trade to Congress, which for most of U.S. history wrote tariff law. That changed after the catastrophe of the 1930 Smoot-Hawley tariff, as Congress said stop us before we kill the economy again and ceded authority to the President to negotiate bilateral trade deals. It ceded more power after World War II.

The President now has the explicit power to restrict imports, but only for specific reasons. The President may impose tariffs on imports that threaten national security (Section 232) or in response to “large and serious” balance-of-payments deficits (Sec. 122), a surge of imports that harms U.S. industry (Sec. 201), and discriminatory trade practices (Sec. 301).

During his first term, Mr. Trump used Section 232 to impose tariffs on steel and aluminum and 301 on goods from China. Mr. Trump’s executive orders imposing 25% across-the-board tariffs on Canada and Mexico and 10% (now 20%) on China instead invoke the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), which gives the President authority to address an “unusual and extraordinary threat” if he declares a national emergency. Mr. Trump deems fentanyl and other drugs such an emergency.

IEEPA’s language is intentionally broad to give the President latitude to address wide-ranging threats. But Mr. Trump’s tariffs arguably constitute a “‘fundamental revision of the statute, changing it from [one sort of] scheme of . . . regulation’ into an entirely different kind,” to quote the Supreme Court’s West Virginia v. EPA precedent distilling its major questions doctrine.

Under that ruling, Congress must expressly authorize economically and politically significant executive actions, which Mr. Trump’s tariffs undeniably are. Whether fentanyl is an unusual and extraordinary threat is debatable, however, since drugs have been pouring across the borders for decades.

The bigger problem is that IEEPA doesn’t clearly authorize tariffs. The law lets the President investigate, block, prohibit or regulate any “importation or exportation” or financial transaction involving “property in which any foreign country or a national” has an interest or “any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”

Presidents have used the law to freeze assets of foreign governments and nationals, restrict U.S. companies from doing business with them, limit export of technologies and ban imports from adversaries. In March 2022 President Biden used the law to ban imports of Russian energy, seafood and alcoholic beverages—but notably not to impose tariffs.

In April 2022, Congress gave the President authority to raise tariffs on Russia, and Mr. Biden later did. This suggests that neither Congress nor Mr. Biden believed IEEPA provided tariff authority. No President has used IEEPA to impose tariffs. The High Court has said that a “lack of historical precedent” is a “telling indication” that a broad exercise of power is illegal.

It’s true Richard Nixon used a precursor to IEEPA to impose an across-the-board 10% tariff in 1971 to address a growing trade deficit. A lower court ruled the tariff exceeded his authority by letting him “determine and fix rates of duty at will” without Congressional permission. An appeals court upheld the tariff because it “bore an eminently reasonable relationship to the emergency confronted.”

Mr. Trump’s tariff doesn’t appear reasonably related to the fentanyl emergency. And Congress seemed to dislike Nixon’s use of emergency powers to deal with trade issues since three years later it gave the President limited authority to impose tariffs. Mr. Trump may have shunned those authorities because he wants carte blanche to impose tariffs.

***​

Mr. Trump’s tariffs recall Mr. Biden’s use of emergency power for his Covid vaccine mandate, eviction moratorium and student loan forgiveness. The Court blocked all three under its major questions doctrine, which Justice Neil Gorsuch called “a vital check on expansive and aggressive assertions of executive authority.”

Presidents of both parties are now declaring everything to be an emergency to achieve their policy goals without having to deal with a frustrating Congress. If Mr. Trump succeeds in unilaterally imposing tariffs as he sees fit, a future Democratic President will use “emergency” power for climate change and much more. Mr. Trump’s order needs a legal challenge.
 
@RogerCooper: As usual you present a nonsensical response. If "Tariffs hurt the country that imposes them." Why is that they even exist then?
The US government was funded by tariffs before the income tax. Tariffs as a consumption tax are superior to having an income tax.

Then you resort to the tired issue that the president is usurping power from Congress. The fact is that Congress is granting the president unfettered "flexibility" because Congress is lazy and does not want to do its work. Congress can't even pass a budget on time. If Congress did its work, we would not have all the corruption that DOGE is uncovering.

Finally, recall Obama's statement when Congress fails to implement his agenda. Obama paraphrased "I have a pen and a phone to accomplish that". Biden took-up that approach by ignoring both the Congress and the Courts concerning "cancelling" student loans.
 
@RogerCooper: As usual you present a nonsensical response. If "Tariffs hurt the country that imposes them." Why is that they even exist then?
The US government was funded by tariffs before the income tax. Tariffs as a consumption tax are superior to having an income tax.

Then you resort to the tired issue that the president is usurping power from Congress. The fact is that Congress is granting the president unfettered "flexibility" because Congress is lazy and does not want to do its work. Congress can't even pass a budget on time. If Congress did its work, we would not have all the corruption that DOGE is uncovering.

Finally, recall Obama's statement when Congress fails to implement his agenda. Obama paraphrased "I have a pen and a phone to accomplish that". Biden took-up that approach by ignoring both the Congress and the Courts concerning "cancelling" student loans.
When the US was an agricultural country, tariffs and property taxes were the primary ways of financing government, because it lacked enough modern economy to tax. The US like other industrializing countries switched to broader based taxes.

Although broad-based consumption taxes have been proposed as a replacement for the income tax, tariffs are a narrow base and could not raise the same revenue. Note that largest source of revenue for the Federal government is payroll taxation.

If you have a problem with the way Congress is run by Republicans, take it up with them.

DOGE has not uncovered much of anything. The savings claimed have been usually been shown as being false or exaggerated. Musk claimed that millions of American over 99 were receiving Social Security, the actual number is 90,000.

Biden abided by the court decision striking down his student loan cancellation. Will Trump do the same.
 
This is from today's Wall Street Journal.

President Trump delayed his Mexico-Canada tariffs again on Thursday—this time for another month. He’s treating the North American economy as a personal plaything, as markets gyrate with each presidential whim. It’s doubtful Mr. Trump even has the power to impose these tariffs, and we hope his afflatus gets a legal challenge.

***​

The Constitution gives power over trade to Congress, which for most of U.S. history wrote tariff law. That changed after the catastrophe of the 1930 Smoot-Hawley tariff, as Congress said stop us before we kill the economy again and ceded authority to the President to negotiate bilateral trade deals. It ceded more power after World War II.

The President now has the explicit power to restrict imports, but only for specific reasons. The President may impose tariffs on imports that threaten national security (Section 232) or in response to “large and serious” balance-of-payments deficits (Sec. 122), a surge of imports that harms U.S. industry (Sec. 201), and discriminatory trade practices (Sec. 301).

During his first term, Mr. Trump used Section 232 to impose tariffs on steel and aluminum and 301 on goods from China. Mr. Trump’s executive orders imposing 25% across-the-board tariffs on Canada and Mexico and 10% (now 20%) on China instead invoke the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), which gives the President authority to address an “unusual and extraordinary threat” if he declares a national emergency. Mr. Trump deems fentanyl and other drugs such an emergency.

IEEPA’s language is intentionally broad to give the President latitude to address wide-ranging threats. But Mr. Trump’s tariffs arguably constitute a “‘fundamental revision of the statute, changing it from [one sort of] scheme of . . . regulation’ into an entirely different kind,” to quote the Supreme Court’s West Virginia v. EPA precedent distilling its major questions doctrine.

Under that ruling, Congress must expressly authorize economically and politically significant executive actions, which Mr. Trump’s tariffs undeniably are. Whether fentanyl is an unusual and extraordinary threat is debatable, however, since drugs have been pouring across the borders for decades.

The bigger problem is that IEEPA doesn’t clearly authorize tariffs. The law lets the President investigate, block, prohibit or regulate any “importation or exportation” or financial transaction involving “property in which any foreign country or a national” has an interest or “any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”

Presidents have used the law to freeze assets of foreign governments and nationals, restrict U.S. companies from doing business with them, limit export of technologies and ban imports from adversaries. In March 2022 President Biden used the law to ban imports of Russian energy, seafood and alcoholic beverages—but notably not to impose tariffs.

In April 2022, Congress gave the President authority to raise tariffs on Russia, and Mr. Biden later did. This suggests that neither Congress nor Mr. Biden believed IEEPA provided tariff authority. No President has used IEEPA to impose tariffs. The High Court has said that a “lack of historical precedent” is a “telling indication” that a broad exercise of power is illegal.

It’s true Richard Nixon used a precursor to IEEPA to impose an across-the-board 10% tariff in 1971 to address a growing trade deficit. A lower court ruled the tariff exceeded his authority by letting him “determine and fix rates of duty at will” without Congressional permission. An appeals court upheld the tariff because it “bore an eminently reasonable relationship to the emergency confronted.”

Mr. Trump’s tariff doesn’t appear reasonably related to the fentanyl emergency. And Congress seemed to dislike Nixon’s use of emergency powers to deal with trade issues since three years later it gave the President limited authority to impose tariffs. Mr. Trump may have shunned those authorities because he wants carte blanche to impose tariffs.

***​

Mr. Trump’s tariffs recall Mr. Biden’s use of emergency power for his Covid vaccine mandate, eviction moratorium and student loan forgiveness. The Court blocked all three under its major questions doctrine, which Justice Neil Gorsuch called “a vital check on expansive and aggressive assertions of executive authority.”

Presidents of both parties are now declaring everything to be an emergency to achieve their policy goals without having to deal with a frustrating Congress. If Mr. Trump succeeds in unilaterally imposing tariffs as he sees fit, a future Democratic President will use “emergency” power for climate change and much more. Mr. Trump’s order needs a legal challenge.
If you believed half of this for real, this would hvae been your first and foremost argument, 2 months ago
 
If you believed half of this for real, this would hvae been your first and foremost argument, 2 months ago
I have been consistent in saying that this is bad policy and that the President lacks the authority.
 
Well, the Democrats litigate on anything that has the slightest chance of success, so ..
 
I don't even have one so I couldn't care less either.
I haven't even looked at my portfolio in 5-6 years. Less stress that way.
 

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