Gun laws do they work

[RainLover]

An interesting statement as many British at the time saw it as a civil war, ie that they were fighting their kith and kin and thus did not pursue it with their usual ruthlessness, a complaint made by the Empire Loyalists, not saying that was the reason we lost they were numerous but in the end down to the Froggies.

Brian

I am at a bit of a loss here. I thought the Civil War was between the North and South with the aim of freeing the Slaves.

I also thought that the War of Independance was long over and that the British had packed their bags and went home. Except those who did not like the English weather.

Please enlighten me.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I am at a bit of a loss here. I thought the Civil War was between the North and South with the aim of freeing the Slaves.

I also thought that the War of Independance was long over and that the British had packed their bags and went home. Except those who did not like the English weather.

Please enlighten me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/rebels_redcoats_01.shtml

 

[Brianwarnock]

I am at a bit of a loss here. I thought the Civil War was between the North and South with the aim of freeing the Slaves.

I also thought that the War of Independance was long over and that the British had packed their bags and went home. Except those who did not like the English weather.

Please enlighten me.

Sorry I thought that you meant that a war was to start between me, British, and the Doc, American.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

Nice link Mr Gerrard

Brian

 

[Vassago]

We tend to send the paedophiles to jail where they are known as spiders. They get special treatment from the other inmates.

Apparently it is OK to ra** Pillage and Plunder but to touch a child is not recommended.

Doc used correct spelling by American English.

As far as the lynch mob, sadly, this is true. HOWEVER, this is not limited to America. The internet has given this lynch mob a new voice. We see it all the time in news, social media, and radio. We can go back to the djs who made the prank call to the nurse for a perfect example. After it occurred, there was plenty of lynching through these sources. We've ended up with a girl dead. These examples exist all over the internet. All it would take is for me to steal a picture from your profile on facebook and write up a fake article about you being a pervert and the internet would take it from there. Lynching has just taken on a new form.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Are you saying that there were calls on the Internet for the DJs to be killed?

Brian

 

[Vassago]

Are you saying that there were calls on the Internet for the DJs to be killed?

Brian

Probably, but I'm speaking more of the lynching that the girl took. It was enough to contribute to her death, even if it wasn't the sole cause.

 

[RainLover]

Sorry I thought that you meant that a war was to start between me, British, and the Doc, American.

Brian

Brian

Please don't do that. You may end up starting something that requires Australia to come to your rescue yet again.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

No, we haven't got a lynch-mob mentality in most of the Old South (can't speak for all of it), but we certainly understand when someone takes matters into their own hands. We don't condone violence, but we understand the motive when violence happens. And we know that but for a good upbringing, the person being arrested for killing a child molester might have been us - if it had been our child being molested.

Heck, I'm a lover, not a fighter - but if anyone messed around with my grandsons, they would be best advised to leave the state. Or maybe volunteer for the next deep space exploration mission.

 

[ColinEssex]

Coincidentally, there is a story on the local news today about a burglar who robbed from a house, the owners were out I believe. He was caught by police using DNA evidence. It was his first offence, so the courts decided to let him off with just a caution.

The police had his DNA on record because he was a suspect in a previous robbery but was proved innocent.

Needless to say, there is a bit of a fuss at him just getting a caution, no fine, no community service or anything.

If someone is caught using a mobile phone in a car, you can get a £1000 fine and 6 points on your licence or in extreme cases a ban from driving.

Isn't the law strange?

Col

 

[RainLover]

Coincidentally, there is a story on the local news today about a burglar who robbed from a house, the owners were out I believe. He was caught by police using DNA evidence. It was his first offence, so the courts decided to let him off with just a caution.

The police had his DNA on record because he was a suspect in a previous robbery but was proved innocent.

Needless to say, there is a bit of a fuss at him just getting a caution, no fine, no community service or anything.

If someone is caught using a mobile phone in a car, you can get a £1000 fine and 6 points on your licence or in extreme cases a ban from driving.

Isn't the law strange?

Col

The crime that you receive the biggest punishment for is those against the Government. More especially when this involves money.

In another life I worked at the XXXX factory. One of the guys was caught taking two cans of beer off the site. Had he drunk them on site he might have been charged for stealing. But because he went off site the liquor taxes were not paid.

The boss brought in the Federal Police immediately and we never saw him again.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Absolutely true Rain.

The Great Train robbers got 30 years because they stole government money, not because they beat up the train driver almost certainly leading to his premature death.

Brian

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Yes, it is strange to see what people actually are convicted of doing. Al Capone (a.k.a. Scarface) was a racketeer, thug, and crime boss. But they got him on income tax evasion.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

The numbers (stats v war casualties) and the doubt in the original question of this thread are truly terrifying.

To get the gun lobbies logic on this - with gun laws the country would be even more dangerous?

http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/

 

[jefnelson]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "works." Mentally ill individuals bent on taking lives in a mass fashion, will; regardless of bans or limitations on guns, knives, or even household chemicals. The same goes for gang violence, robberies, or just good ole revenge. If the death penalty is not a deterrent (and it isn't), what law or restriction will be?

 

[Bladerunner]

If I am not mistaken, Australia confiscated guns from its people. We would have an insurrection in the U.S. if that were tried.

 

[Bway24]

Good question I don't think there's any stand out evidence either way.

However I am never very convinced about the line

"we need guns to protect ourselves"

Try having someone try to force his way into your second story studio apartment with no other exits but the door hes breaking down while you're still inside. When seconds matter, the cops are only minutes away. (Yes this actually happened to me) Luckily I HAD A GUN TO PROTECT MYSELF! Thankfully he ran away after he realized I wasn't bluffing about dumping a clip of .45 cal bullets into him and I wasn't left with a mess that would have voided my security deposit.

The people that start shooting up their neighbourhood always generally target the innocent and always rely on the element of surprise .

Chances are when you really need that gun - you won't have it on you.

Most places shootings occur such as schools, businesses, parks etc... Are so called gun free zones. Making it illegal for anyone to carry a firearm on those premises. Meaning that if you wanted to maximize body count and minimize risk, these places would make the best target. Since the person is already intent on breaking the law by shooting someone, the laws prohibiting him from bringing the weapon he intends to use onto the property have absolutely zero effect.

So its more like the places where you are more likely to need a gun are the places you're prohibited from taking them.

So my feeling is that you're safer making it very difficult to get guns than trusting everyone with a gun.

The issue isn't one of difficulty. Its an issue of prevention; which is impossible, anyone with the malice and intent to use a gun for an illegal act will obtain a gun. Probably by breaking the law. So who are you making things difficult for? The criminal? Not really....... Its normally Mr. Joe taxpayer who coaches his kids little league that is is the most effected.

 

[Galaxiom]

Oh yeah. Having guns available in schools would definitely reduce the shootings in schools.

And did the guy breaking in have real evidence that you did have a gun or would bluffing have actually worked anyway?

You could have also stood by the door with a heavy object and smashed in his head as he broke though. Then the cops would have been able to arrest him too.

 

[Bway24]

Oh yeah. Having guns available in schools would definitely reduce the shootings in schools.

And did the guy breaking in have real evidence that you did have a gun or would bluffing have actually worked anyway?

You could have also stood by the door with a heavy object and smashed in his head as he broke though. Then the cops would have been able to arrest him too.

Guns in schools may not reduce the number psychos that start shooting, but they can help reduce the body count of his continued rampage. Multiple responsible and properly trained adults with firearms > one lone wack job.

He heard me **** the slider and commented on it rather loudly........ while screaming he was gonna beat my ass.

Why would I risk putting myself in close proximity to a guy thats 4 inches taller and 60 pounds heavier than myself? Great idea!

And an ambulance could have also removed his lifeless body from my stairs.

At the end of the day what ifs and theory don't matter. A person made a choice to threaten me with gross physical harm. A gun guaranteed my safety.

 

[Galaxiom]

Guns in schools will make more guns immediately available for would-be psychos who decide on the spur of the moment to start killing after some perceived put down.

Currently they have to go away and get a gun by which time most of them come to their senses.