I believe Slavery was an Evolutionary Step...

ColinEssex said:
My home city of Bristol was built on the riches from slavery. Edward Colston was a prolific slave trader, and Bristol made millions from the USA who needed slaves. In Bristol, there are many examples of how slave money benefitted the city. If it wasn't for slaves, Bristol would have to rely more on smuggling and exploitation of women for dubious activities. Slaves were more lucrative though.
Col
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Thank you for the brief info on the history of Bristol, I know two people from my home country who are currently studying MSc at the University of Bristol.
 
Interesting topic, I was surprised to find out that the King of Congo was the one offering slaves to the King of Portugal, I always heard and learned at school that he Europeans used to raid Africa and capturing free people, but there are the letters from the King of Congo to prove me wrong.
Anyway slavery is a very sad chapter in human history... it still happens today and it has nothing to do with skin colour.
 
Most people have no idea regarding the extent of slavery TODAY around the world. When I was living in Kuwait, my daughter's first nanny was a sex slave. Of course, I didn't know it when I hired her but her sad story came out a few weeks later when her "owner" found her and told her she needed to come back to him. I spent the next week dragging her around to various embassies and lawyers trying to find a solution for her. I even tried to send her home to my mother to help her to emigrate to the US but since I was living outside the country for the next year, the embassy wouldn't allow it. My mother would have given her refuge and I would have provided transportation and a stipend to support her as well as sanctuary and a path to permanence, the US Embassy wouldn't grant her a visa because they wouldn't let me sponsor her if I was outside the country. Eventually, she was out of options. The Indian Embassy would give her a passport and transport back to India but her family had sold her to the Kuwaiti so she had no reason to go back to India. She would have ended up as a beggar on the street. My husband and I only knew a couple of Kuwaitiis at that point and none well enough to ask him (a woman couldn't do it) to sponsor her and incur the wrath of her "owner" who was a man of means.
 
Pat Hartman said:
Most people have no idea regarding the extent of slavery TODAY around the world.
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What makes you think that? We are not all stupid, despite what you yanks think. You think you're so knowledgeable, here's news for you - you're not.
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ColinEssex said:
What makes you think that? We are not all stupid, despite what you yanks think.
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Col, you know that I don't get totally bent out of shape on most of your posts. I'll tweak you a bit, chide you a bit, and let it slip. But human trafficking is a continuing tragedy around the world. And based on security briefings I used to get regarding overseas travel while I was with the U.S. Navy, I'm going to side with Pat on this one. She is correct that people in general - ALL OVER THE WORLD - do not fully appreciate the extent to which trafficking occurs. There are countries where it is well-known, but equally there are countries where it is not recognized as a problem.

Part of that relates to those cultures where women are relegated to 2nd-class citizen roles. Part of it relates to the abject poverty in so many of the emerging nations. Between forced labor trafficking and sex trafficking, women are predominantly the victims, where even pre-teen young women and girls are sold. Nor do they have many choices.

You may indeed be one of the more erudite citizens who better appreciates how often it occurs, and for that knowledge I congratulate you. But Pat's concern is legitimate and the crime in question is horrific. If you took umbrage with her comment, then take umbrage with mine, too. Just know that human trafficking is so widespread as to be almost an epidemic. And it happens in the UK, too.

Based on a relatively recent (but not after 2020) U.N. report, only 29% of the member nations of the U.N. report more than 10 convictions a year. Another 17% report between 1 and 10 convictions per year. That means that 54% of the U.N. members either don't have laws against that crime (22%) or don't have the means to deal with the crime. Conviction rates run less than 50% even in the U.K. for the period covered by the report's detailed history - from 2004-2007, where they had complete legal histories.
 
It's just that it is such a patronising post giving the impression that Pat thinks she is so great that not many people know what she (or Americans) know.

Yes we all know slavery in whatever form is rife in many countries including the UK and the USA. Just put it with the 100's of other things to sort out, in the meantime keep paying the japanese prozzies, they need the money to send home for their families.
Col
 
KitaYama said:
Do you have anything to support this? I'm really interested.
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There was an article about it in the paper. It said that Japanese and Chinese families tend to all live in one house with grandparents and aunties and uncles, so with limited income it can be difficult. So the daughter comes to the UK (or wherever) works as a sex worker, often known as an escort for good money (especially in london) and sends back a high percentage of the money. Usually they say they are working as a waitress or something as their real job would be frowned upon.
Col
 
I will not make an apologist-style excuse out of this but there is a distinction between what Col just described and sex trafficking. If the sex worker has the ability to send money back to her family, she is not a victim of sex trafficking in sense being described previously. A woman who has been trafficked in the way that the U.N. report described would not keep any of the money and would be dependent on her "owner" for sustenance. The kind of woman Col described is an independent contractor - who still might be breaking the law. But she is free enough to get money that she can distribute according to HER choice. This isn't good either, but it is not the subject of Pat's original discussion that triggered this diversion.
 
ColinEssex said:
There was an article about it in the paper. It said that Japanese and Chinese families tend to all live in one house with grandparents and aunties and uncles, so with limited income it can be difficult. So the daughter comes to the UK (or wherever) works as a sex worker, often known as an escort for good money (especially in london) and sends back a high percentage of the money. Usually they say they are working as a waitress or something as their real job would be frowned upon.
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So all your judgement comes from only one article in a paper.

@ColinEssex Let me give you a piece of advice my friend. You may not like it but I think I have to say it.
Be careful what you post on a public forum. Because you may be wrong and it may show how little you know.

There may be thousands or several hundred thousands of Japanese prostitute around the world. But I don't think they send back money home.
  1. Most of us don't meet our aunts, uncles, grand parents or other relatives even once a year. My sons have not seen their uncles for the past 5 years and they have met their aunt only twice in their whole 28 & 26 years. We are very famous around the world as the loneliest families because we build a wall around ourselves and don't let anyone else in, even our parents. My wife has not even seen her parent for the past 3 years. Living with our aunts and parents and ground parents? Seriously? Who told you and how you believed it?

  2. With limited income? You must be out of your mind....I don't know about the rules in AWF and how much I'm allowed to go deep in the night life of our society, but let me tell you this. The girls who work in night clubs are among the richest ones here. A girl with 6 hours daily in one of Tokyo' girls bar, has a monthly income between 30,000 to 80,000 US dollar. And she's not even sleeping with the customer. There are girls with more than $100,000 monthly income. Now you tell me how much a Japanese escort makes in London?
    Search for 東京キャバ女の収入 and read for yourself. Or read this :
    So if you see Japanese prostitute around world, I can assure you it's not for sending money back home. Because they can make much more within the borders than going out.
 
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@KitaYama

I don't know about the rules in AWF and how much I'm allowed to go deep in the night life of our society, but let me tell you this.
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As a moderator, I can tell you that what you said is NOT out of bounds as far as I am concerned. And thank you for a viewpoint from that part of the world as a counterbalance for those of us who only see it from afar.
 
Kit, thank you for your expert opinion on prostitution and escorts, your knowledge is far greater than mine.
Col
 
KitaYama said:
So all your judgement comes from only one article in a paper.

@ColinEssex Let me give you a piece of advice my friend. You may not like it but I think I have to say it.
Be careful what you post on a public forum. Because you may be wrong and it may show how little you know.
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I disagree here. Why should someone be careful to post something on a forum ?
We all can be wrong at one point or even not know everything like it is in reality.
But that is why on a forum, you can explain your own point of view on stuff.

And yes, we do have to rely on papers or articles released in our country. If those are wrong, how does that reflect on how little someone knows ?
 
Grumm said:
I disagree here. Why should someone be careful to post something on a forum ?
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Well, we normally check what we are told, what is right and what is wrong before spreading something.
If you don't, it's your choice. You can believe whatever you are fed. Maybe papers in your country are reliable. (which in this particular case they weren't)

Many of us know papers are looking for headlines to sell more and God knows how much of what they sell are wrong or biased. Apparently you have never heard about fake news. Or if you have, it seems it's OK for you to spread what MAY be wrong. (before checking it)

Grumm said:
If those are wrong, how does that reflect on how little someone knows ?
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If you write some nonsense as pure facts , and someone who knows the situation read your post, it shows how little you know. Doesn't it?

Again, it's your choice. You can ignore what I said above and post whatever you read in papers. It seems being right or wrong doesn't count.
 
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KitaYama said:
Well, we normally check what we are told, what is right and what is wrong before spreading something.
If you don't, it's your choice. You can believe whatever you are fed. Maybe papers in your country are reliable. (which in this particular case they weren't)

Many of us know papers are looking for headlines to sell more and God knows how much of what they sell are wrong or biased. Apparently you have never heard about fake news. Or if you have, it seems it's OK for you to spread what MAY be wrong. (before checking it)


If you write some nonsense as pure facts , and someone who knows the situation read your post, it shows how little you know. Doesn't it?

Again, it's your choice. You can ignore what I said above and post whatever you read in papers. It seems being right or wrong doesn't count.
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I think you missed the point.
What I wanted to tell is to give people the benefit of the doubt before actually warning and giving advice.

It is possible that @ColinEssex didn't know the true facts or whatever. And you can explain why or what.
'Be careful what you post on a public forum.' So because of that, he isn't allowed to give arguments on the subject ?
 
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