Moke is doing a good job on his own. I have asked that if Trump has immunity wouldn't Biden have the same. Yes or No. But no one answers directly.You robbed @jpl458 of starting another new thread, that's not being a team player.
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Because there is NO absolute yes or no answer to the question. For there to be a Yes/No option it needs to 100% one or the other and the answer is "it depends". But, there is no ambiguity in the answers. If Trump is immune, then Biden is immune for the SAME OFFENSE. You keep wanting to make the offenses different and so no one is going to say that Biden is immune in situation a but Trump is not because that isn't how it should work. It is how the Dems want it to work however.
If Trump is immune from all prosecution for crimes committed in office, as he states, then anyone who holds that office is also immune. Is that correct? Not talking about Herbert Hoover or Grover CLeveland, et.al. If one President is immune for all Prosecution, it seems to me that all Presidents were, are, will be immune as well.
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Doesn't matter, we don't prosecute the cognitively impaired. Haven't you been paying attention?
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I know it sucks, right?
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You're trying to equate persecution with prosecution, it's not the same animal.
No, I am not. Old phrase,"What's good for the goose is good for the gander." I ask a very simple question that you can't seem to answer. Think of it as a "Horns of a dilemma" kind of question. If you say Yes, then Biden is immune as well, if you say no then you are saying Trump is above the law. Very simple. So which is it?
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#jpl458: You are attempting to incorrectly force logic towards an asymmetrical situation that is illogical. In your world Trump is guilty by definition while Biden is innocent by definition. Consequently, your supposed "question" can't be answered to your satisfaction.
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The left has turned Trump into a cult classic by accident. 
Take Trump and Biden out of the equation. If any President is deemed to be immune, wouldn't that immunity apply to all Presidents? It's like saying the speed limit on this road is 40 MPH. Would that not apply to all citizens, or not? I am not talking about guilt or innocence with regard to Trump. He is innocent until proven guilty. Does the law apply to everyone or not? Steve R, There is nothing asymmetrical about the question.
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"If Trump is immune, then Biden is immune for the SAME OFFENSE."
I agree with that.
But Trump claims that Presidential immunity is absloute.
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For the offences he is being charged with. He isn't claiming he can get away with murdering people the way Obama did. That remark was a joke but you don't seem to have a sense of humor.
Who did Obama murder, or caim he could murder? BTW, here is part of the ruling of 3 judge panel of the circuit court. Implicite, is a ruling on absolute immunity. In the last line.
“At bottom, former President Trump’s stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the president beyond the reach of all three branches,” they wrote. “Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the president, the Congress could not legislate, the executive could not prosecute and the judiciary could not review. We cannot accept that the office of the presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time."
“At bottom, former President Trump’s stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the president beyond the reach of all three branches,” they wrote. “Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the president, the Congress could not legislate, the executive could not prosecute and the judiciary could not review. We cannot accept that the office of the presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time."
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As I was alluding to, your question was dishonest trap meant to twist logic for the purpose of finding Trump somehow guilty of something.
You neglect that Biden is abusing the legal system by depriving Trump's right to immunity to make Trump a criminal. Recall that Biden, besides the question of immunity, has already refused to honor long standing principles of Exutive Privilege and Client Attorney Privilege. Very dishonest of Biden.
If you want an honest response to your question; you should be writing it within the context that Biden has weaponized the legal which invalidates the neutral application of the law. This places Biden above the law, as judge, jury, and executionor all rolled into one.
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I don't agree. Biden didn't order jusrice to go after Trump. The House Select Commitee sent it's findings to Juistice, then a special couincil was appointed. That is the way it works. Biden did not subvert the separation of powers. By the same token, if the claims that Biden and Hunter had recieved bribes I would be on them as well. But the house commitee seems to be fresh out of evidence on that subject. In my original post on the subject is was just asking about immunity. I wasn't trying to prove Trump guilty of anything. I just found the idea of Presidential immunity for any and all crimes committed in office to be absurd.
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Based on all the spurious unjustified lawsuits/criminal indictments filed, it is obvious that the Biden administration has colluded, in an illegal manner, to get Trump. In fact, Democrats are once again trying to resurrect the discredited Russa hoax. An example of "show me the man, I will find the crime". Biden is practicing Soviet style democracy to cripple political opposition. Biden is a disciple of Putin.
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