Rational vs. irrational reporting

[pbaldy]

"The chopper was equipped with a TCAS (collision avoidance system) but apparently didn't have it switched on".
Why this is optional?

I have no knowledge on the subject, but I would speculate that military aircraft need the ability to turn it off if, in a combat situation, it would broadcast their location. Not good if the enemy can see where you are.

That said, I can think of no reason it should have been off in this situation.

 

[Pat Hartman]

and the reporter is horrific in attempting to point a finger of blame at Trump.

It's always Trump's fault

Trump wasn't saying that the flight controller OR the pilot was a DEI hire. Trump's problem is that he expects his listeners to understand the reference to DEI as a general, persistent, problem. His point was that it was DEI policies at a minimum which made the tower understaffed and caused one person to have to do two jobs which certainly had an impact on the crash. But, I agree. He should have not even mentioned DEI prior to the investigation.

 

[Minty]

I would strongly suspect he had no idea the Tower was understaffed at that point he made those comments.
It was his usual babbling incoherent rhetoric when it was completely uncalled for.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

That said, I can think of no reason it should have been off in this situation.

I edited my previous comment to reflect one good reason. Too many alarms during a crucial procedure, and those alarms have to be manually shut down. During landing, particularly with aircraft in an invisible queue on the runway's glide path, every TCAS on every plane will complain about potential collisions due to closeness. I didn't think about that at the time I first posted, but it has come out that to prevent spurious alarms in special circumstances, you switch it off. Otherwise you'll be too busy hitting the master alarm Clear button to fly the plane.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

It was his usual babbling incoherent rhetoric when it was completely uncalled for.

It wasn't that long ago, in another thread in this very forum, that the comment was made that Democrats never wasted the opportunity of a tragedy to make some point. Trump is merely pulling from the Democrat's playbook.

 

[AccessBlaster]

It's coming out that the helo was in the wrong space at the wrong time, something Trump referenced at the presser.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Even the first video we saw had the helo headed straight for the passenger plane at the same altitude and so was on a collision path. Even with clear sky's and maybe clear sky's make it worse, but all the city lights have to interfere with "seeing" something as big as an aircraft right in front of your nose. If it had been further away, the helo pilot probably would have "seen" it. It would be interesting to see an image of what the helo pilot should have seen with the goggles and without. Also, the night vision goggles seriously interfere with peripheral vision although it looks like the plane was perpendicular to the helo's flight path but the angle of approach could have really hidden the plane until it was too late due to the limited peripheral vision. Maybe most of the shades were down and so the tell-tale rows of lights didn't wake up the helo pilot.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Have a look at this short explanation.

 

[Isaac]

I would strongly suspect he had no idea the Tower was understaffed at that point he made those comments.
It was his usual babbling incoherent rhetoric when it was completely uncalled for.

I think pointing out that major change he made to FAA staffing, which Biden revoked, and bringing up the general topic of DEI being totally inappropriate in this context was pretty darn relevant. Wait 2 mo. everyone will forgot this ever happened....So, awkward, but best to bring it up now while people will truly 'get it'. After a school shooting everyone talks gun control; after a car accident everyone talks DUI penalties. Laken Riley gets killed they introduce a bill within days named after her - pretty normal in politics.
Nothing insensitive about solving a problem fast. And he did add a bunch of sympathetic typical comments as well.

 

[Pat Hartman]

I can't argue with your position Isaac but Trump is ALWAYS taken out of context and that means that the left will simply dig in their heels and take potshots at Trump over this remark. He needs to be better than them and avoid giving them this type of opportunity to make themselves look downright stupid by arguing in favor of DEI. Although, I do love it when the left has to take the stupid side of an argument to be anti-Trump so maybe it was good after all that Trump brought up DEI before the investigation happened

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Any time we put the safety of our people over DEI we are doing a good thing. When we put DEI over competency at a critical job where lives depend on proper action, we are doing a bad thing. End of discussion.

 

[Isaac]

 

[Isaac]

Google just yanked DEI too.
The Democrats seem surprised, but I think the little secret about DEI that people don't usually mention is that Nobody ever really wanted it to begin with, minus a tiny, tiny subset of privileged minorities who no one dares to cross or disagree with publicly.
(You know, like that minority person at every job you've ever had whose performance stinks, but simply can't be fired ?)

DEI as far as making people be included is a nice idea, listen to everyone's opinions, make sure there isn't discrimination, yes, all good, we all support it.

But noticing that your employee demographics don't match the region's demographics, and then doing "special things" to give "special help" to "special people" in order to make it more likely they'll get a position over someone else - in other words, replacing meritocracy with special help - that's a terrible thing, and racist, and illegal, just going in a new direction that some have been slow to acknowledge is the fact.

This isn't new, and isn't just Trump. Anyone with a fair minded brain , that is, most of us, have been totally against this 'special helping people based on race' since the first time we saw it rear its ugly head. Trump is just finally making things right

 

[Minty]

but I think the little secret about DEI that people don't usually mention is that Nobody ever really wanted it to begin with, minus a tiny, tiny subset of privileged minorities who no one dares to cross or disagree with publicly.

I think that a majority of people that are in the LBGT+ type of minorities, don't want it either, they are simply pulled into the arena by snowflakes virtue signalling on their behalf.

It's the "get offended on someone else's behalf" brigade that are the real cause of the DEI type of policies, and the malaise they cause.

 

[Isaac]

I agree Minty, I think there are a lot of 'good' people in the gay community BTW, people who are as aghast and appalled as I am by some of the more objectionable stuff going on, like teaching very young school children about sexual subjects and allowing them to become confused about their gender at a very young age. I've read several articles from activists, even, in the LGBTQ community who believe these things are crimes, just as I do.

(used to be if you cornered any little school kid and began talking about your genitals, you'd be arrested - now in many schools, they read books that go into detail about all that stuff- really a dark road to go down IMO)

 

[The_Doc_Man]

If we are lucky, some of that "irrational" reporting in the title will come back to haunt the bad reporters, it will circle back to haunt them. And getting revenge on them will be as easy as Pi.

 

[ColinEssex]

(used to be if you cornered any little school kid and began talking about your genitals, you'd be arrested - now in many schools, they read books that go into detail about all that stuff- really a dark road to go down IMO)

No need for books. They've got it all on their phones. They send each other explicit pictures. The biggest downfall of children's morals is social media and dumping the kids off with any Tom, Dick or Harry whilst the mother can't be bothered to do what they're here for, and sods off to work.
Col

 

[Isaac]

No need for books. They've got it all on their phones. They send each other explicit pictures. The biggest downfall of children's morals is social media and dumping the kids off with any Tom, Dick or Harry whilst the mother can't be bothered to do what they're here for, and sods off to work.
Col

I agree with you that at this particular point in time, social media and being left with a non-parent the majority of the time are probably bigger problems - except the 2nd item is essentially the same as school, since that's where they go when the mother sods off to work

 

[The_Doc_Man]

No need for books. They've got it all on their phones. They send each other explicit pictures. The biggest downfall of children's morals is social media and dumping the kids off with any Tom, Dick or Harry whilst the mother can't be bothered to do what they're here for, and sods off to work.
Col

I agree with you that at this particular point in time, social media and being left with a non-parent the majority of the time are probably bigger problems - except the 2nd item is essentially the same as school, since that's where they go when the mother sods off to work

Another facet of the problem is that too many parents think that school is where the kids will learn morality - except that the MAJORITY of the kids' interactions in the school day are with the as-yet immoral kids around them. Morality will stick only if taught in the home. Or, though I don't believe in the mysticism parts, you can learn a good bit about moral behavior in a church setting. (See, Isaac - I'm not TOTALLY against religion... just against parts of it.)

 

[Isaac]

Another facet of the problem is that too many parents think that school is where the kids will learn morality - except that the MAJORITY of the kids' interactions in the school day are with the as-yet immoral kids around them. Morality will stick only if taught in the home. Or, though I don't believe in the mysticism parts, you can learn a good bit about moral behavior in a church setting. (See, Isaac - I'm not TOTALLY against religion... just against parts of it.)

That's true Doc, a lot of parents are expecting the school to do "everything" when they should only expect it to teach the children all of the fundamentals that we actually wish they would get back to anyway