Riots in the USA - just an excuse to let off energy?

[deletedT]

It's easy it you come from a homogeneous society, that has a group mentality. Japan is 98.1% Japanese, zero diversity.

well, I'm not sure where your data comes from. You may have missed my previous posts on Japan's problem about population. If you search, you may find them. I'd explained we are suffering of a decrease of population. Japan's giving working/business visa to anyone from any country to come here and work, not even one question asked. (a valid passport and a none criminal report from police is what they need).

The number of Chinese who live here, are more than the sum of the whole population of our 3 large prefectures.
During the rush hours, you will see more people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh than Japanese.
Toyota city's 85 percent of population is Brazilian and Peruvians. We have a city with almost 90% of population Philippines.
we've been told that during the next 5 decade, the number of Japanese would be only 1/3d of Japan's population. We have our problems. You're simply not aware of them.

We are not perfect. No one is.

Yes, no one is perfect. But we can try to be. We can try to be better. Perfection can be the goal and everyone MUST try to be perfect.
You may give up and be satisfied with no one can be perfect. But I think the struggle and effort to be perfect never should be stopped.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

@Isaac - I heard no audio track and the audio on/off icon was not functioning. Therefore, I said what I said because of what I did not, COULD not hear.

 

[Isaac]

@Isaac - I heard no audio track and the audio on/off icon was not functioning. Therefore, I said what I said because of what I did not, COULD not hear.

Well I can understand that then

 

[Isaac]

Japan's giving working/business visa to anyone from any country to come here and work, not even one question asked. (a valid passport and a none criminal report from

my wife and I have considered these jobs that they sometimes give to Americans to teach English as a second language in another country for 1 to 2 years. We always thought it would be fun to try for a year. I have no idea if that's an option in Japan but I have heard it being done in Hong Kong. My wife has several friends who have done this.

 

[AccessBlaster]

well, I'm not sure where your data comes from.

Japan is 98.1% Japanese - Google Search

www.google.com

Yes, no one is perfect. But we can try to be. We can try to be better. Perfection can be the goal and everyone MUST try to be perfect.
You may give up and be satisfied with no one can be perfect. But I think the struggle and effort to be perfect never should be stopped.

Its good that you have had thousands of years head start. Again, less then 300 over here. BTW most of Europe is ancient also, they lecture us too.

Anyone can grab random bits of information on the web and try to string together some damming information, it only takes a few minutes. We call it cherry-picking here. I am sure that will been seen as either racist or non PC at the very least.

 

[Pat Hartman]

But what I see is the story ending

What EXACTLY is a police officer supposed to do when someone attempts to disarm him? Should he give up his baton? Tera, would your police just allow themselves to be disarmed? Should it mater if the attacker is in a wheelchair?

I'm sure you've heard the term "If it bleeds, it leads.". That is what "news" outlets practice these days. As a result, you are much more likely to see violent or negative stories (except regarding Antifa and BLM because they do NOT commit violence. They are peaceful protesters as we all know- if you never see the violence and looting on TV, it must not have happened. Must have been the police who ransacked and burned their station house and Macy's department store. And if we ever question their motives we will be ostracized and called racists) rather than non-violent or positive stories. As a result, the rest of the world has a view of Americans as gunslingers looking for a fight when that is not the case at all. Given the diversity of our population, we actually get along amazingly well.

 

[Steve R.]

I'm sure you've heard the term "If it bleeds, it leads.". That is what "news" outlets practice these days.

Don Henley's song "Dirty Laundry". Video

Some of the lyrics, my favorite stanza:

We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blond
Who comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die
Give us dirty laundry

Most relevant for today:

We can do "The Innuendo"
We can dance and sing
When it's said and done we haven't told you a thing
We all know that Kraft is king
Give us dirty laundry!

PS: I believe that "Kraft" should have been "craft".

 

[deletedT]

Tera, would your police just allow themselves to be disarmed? Should it mater if the attacker is in a wheelchair?

Everybody is misunderstanding me here. I'm not talking about our police and your police, Or our country and your country. I'm talking about humanity and cruelty. Even if our police does something like that, I criticize them. I show my objection in anyway I can. And yes it matters if the attacker is in a wheel chair or not. A man in a wheelchair is less offensive than a man standing on his feet.

Now you're coming to disarming? Did you really watch the clip? As far as I see, the man was on the ground when he tried to grab the baton. He's been already thrown down. Even if it happened before he was thrown, the police man could move one step or two backward to stay out of reach. The wheelchair comes closer? he can ask another officer to hold the wheelchair. or there may be one million more solutions. If anyone had a weapon, or there may be any life thread to officers, I can accept what @The_Doc_Man explained above. Can't you see how aggressive the police is in that scene? They may be right in what they want to do, but they are wrong in the way they try to do it. As I said in my previous reply, your brain refuses to accept the signals, maybe because you're seeing these kind of cruelty daily and you are used to close your eyes and look the other way. But for me, I can not accept a wrong behavior to stop another wrong thing.

And again, please don't draw a line and pretend I'm talking about ours vs yours, or this side of the border and the other side of it. We are all human and we share our feelings. The border that I see on a map, is just something to divide our laws, not separate the recognition of the difference between correct and wrong. Your pain is my pain and I'm sure my happiness is yours too. When I see the news, it's just like it's happening here.

we actually get along amazingly well.

Well if you're OK with it, why shouldn't I.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Can't you see how aggressive the police is in that scene?

@Tera,
I've looked at the video several times and I can see that the police are trying to not hurt anyone. It is not their job to walk away. It is their job to contain the threat and we have no idea how this scene started because whoever posted the clip didn't want us to know. That alone should make you question what you are viewing. I feel for the people involved but I also know that the police did NOT start this!! They simply do not attack people who are protesting peacefully.

Do you remember last year's scandal with the Covington kids? The video clip showed a young boy wearing a MAGA hat smirking while a native American beat on a drum. The "news" outlets NEVER apologized for pushing the theory that the boys were the aggressors even when the full video was released and we saw that not only was the native American the aggressor but also that there was a group of black Israelite's calling the group of boys obscene names. The boy is going to end up a multi-millionaire when all his lawsuits are settled. Watch both clips and then consider your opinion about this clip. You are allowing yourself to be manipulated. Twitter and the other social media and even "news" outlets are sooooo quick to jump on the bandwagon by virtue signalling their offense of what these videos purport to show but when the truth comes out, it is oh well, here's something new and shiny. Isn't that terrible? Doesn't that make you think the police and Trump and all conservatives are evil?? Find the clip of the children in dog cages and try to find the full picture where you see their parents surrounding them at a protest. The PARENTS put the children in the dog cage to escalate their point since it wasn't strong enough on its own because the situation they were blaming on Trump was actually created in 2014 by Obama!!!!!. Those are just two other obviously false clips that come to mind. I'm sure that others can list many more and yet the media continues. They are determined to take down Trump any way they can. The police are just a casualty of their attempted coup.

I'm 73. I've had numerous interactions with the police in my life. None have been unpleasant because in no case did I ever give the officer "lip". I was raised to respect my parents and other authority figures. The police, the firemen, and pretty much anyone in a uniform were the good guys and to be trusted. The police are getting a bad rap because they do react when people they stop act up and the people causing the unpleasantness are surprised that the officers won't allow them to endanger themselves or others.. And unfortunately, some of the officers overreact and they need to be removed from public facing positions BEFORE they do something stupid like kneeling on an addicts neck. I don't think that anybody disagrees that that was simply uncalled for. Unfortunately, the police union frequently interferes and so officers who should be taken off the line are not. Look at the statistics. People who die at the hands of the police due to unwarranted force are a very tiny number (about 20 last year) compared to all the thousands of interactions that happen on a daily basis. It is not rational to make laws for the "one". Laws need to serve the public in general. Police need to be well trained in containing irrational people with a minimum of force but they also need to know that society is behind them. Believe it or not, it is the people in poor neighborhoods who will suffer the most from the crippling of the police. But, they're the ones who are believing the untruthful claims of BlackLivesMatter that the police are out of control. No one should have to die but 20 people in a year given the hundreds of thousands of interactions is not a crisis. It is a rounding error. I think that something around 7,000 blacks per year are killed in just Chicago alone. That number includes children caught in the crossfire but those black lives don't matter because the movement is not really about black lives, it is about overthrowing the government starting with the police. Their website has been cleaned up recently and it makes them sound like boy scouts. They used to sound like the Marxists they are. They were very clear about destroying the nuclear family, freedom of speech, the police, our constitution, our government and replacing everything with a Socialist model. I don't think there is a country in the world where Socialism ever worked and it isn't going to work here either. It doesn't work because eventually you run out of other people's money to quote Margaret Thatcher. America is a beacon of hope for the downtrodden of the world and the reason is our rule of law. Our laws used to apply to everyone but the Democrats are gradually changing that so if they like you, you can get away with almost anything but if they don't like you, they'll make up charges if they have to. Our congress may be the best that money can buy but so far, except for some local situations, the police are not corrupt.

The left needs to stop telling blacks that they are victims and so black people must vote Democratic so that the Democrats can "help" them and give them free stuff. Remember one of Biden's recent gaffs - "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black". How racist is that? But that's the thinking. The Democrats "own" the blacks but once the election is over, we're back to the status quo. The worst cities in the US are the ones that have been run by Democrats for years. Baltimore, Maryland (Biden's home state) is probably the worst example. Their annual per pupal expenditure is something around the third highest in the US but NONE of the students were able to pass standard grade tests in math and English! This is NOT a not enough money problem, it is a bad management problem along with no accountability for teachers due to the control exerted by the teacher's union.

 

[deletedT]

@Pat Hartman thanks for taking your time and trying to clarify the situation. Your reply was too deep and I need to think over what you explained. While I‘m trying to see the world through your eyes, maybe you want to think About this too.

but I also know that the police did NOT start this!! They simply do not attack people who are protesting peacefully.

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[ColinEssex]

If you keep your nose clean, live a normal life, you will not be beaten up by American police. Even that bloke that was throttled was being held because of an alleged offence. Had he not struggled, his restraint would have been less harsh.
I'm sick of people saying USA police are over aggressive. Yes, they have guns drawn when they pull you over for a stoplight not working, that's because they don't know what to expect, we hear Americans carry guns in their glove box in cars for fear of hijacking, so it's logical an officer has to be prepared. We hear Americans carry guns in shoulder holsters, again officers have to be prepared. We hear most Americans are on drugs and spaced out so their behaviour is unpredictable. I could go on but it's midnight and I'm tired.

Oh, I'll just say I had a good laugh at the prospect of Americans teaching English to Japs. English is difficult enough for Yanks let alone trying to teach it. What a joke that was.
Col

 

[Isaac]

English is difficult enough for Yanks let alone trying to teach it.

Hey, as long as people can understand you, right?! - if you're happy, I'm happy.

 

[Pat Hartman]

@Tera,
"There's one in every crowd" as the saying goes. If this is a true film, and there is no way to tell one way or the other, then the officer deserves severe punishment and dismissal from the force. The key is that anyone can post anything they want on instagram or anywhere else. Do you know who posted this? Do you trust it to be real and not staged? As I pointed out earlier, we used to be able to trust the main stream media but we can no longer trust them because they have an agenda and it is not delivering the facts which is what reporters are supposed to do. If you are willing to believe the worst of people as you seem to be, you will always believe these inflammatory videos regardless of whether the source is trustworthy or not. The uproar two years ago over children in cages is a good point. Do you really believe that the government of the United States of America would actually sanction putting small children in dog cages? If you are willing to believe the worst of us, then you would have been sucked in by the photo. If you are not willing to believe the worst of us, you might dig a little deeper and find the whole photo which shows what was actually going on.

I don't know if the scene in the video is real or staged and I have no way to determine it. All I know is if the person on the bed were black, cities would be burning over "police brutality" but since he's white, no one cares because we don't care about police brutality or perhaps too many people have been duped too many times to bite on every new atrocity that instagram shows us. In that case, the poster made a mistake in his choice of "victim".

Yes, there is evil in the world. Was this evil, on the surface yes but without knowing more I am not willing to become enraged over it. At some point, logic has to raise its ugly head. Who was filming the injured man? Why were they filming at that moment? Were they expecting something bad to happen? How convenient. The setup just doesn't make sense.

Since clearly you click on these types of films, you see what you expect to see. I'm sure you think this happens every day in every precinct in every state. Really? This is why 20 unarmed people shot out of thousands of shootings out of millions of encounters gets blown up to a crisis. Are you driving your own feed as I did with my Yahoo feed to show me only articles on royals?

 

[Isaac]

@Pat Hartman thanks for taking your time and trying to clarify the situation. Your reply was too deep and I need to think over what you explained. While I‘m trying to see the world through your eyes, maybe you want to think About this too.



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@Tera What happened in that video is pretty bad! Like every nation on earth, we have to do our best to
1) take inventory of "all" our problems
2) triage the relative occurrence & seriousness
3) assign resources and energy to fight/overcome those problems, in light of #1 and #2, and to the extent the solution wouldn't cause a worse problem

May I take the liberty of assuming that is not a controversial set of statements? Hopefully something we can agree and come together on.

 

[deletedT]

@Tera,
"There's one in every crowd" as the saying goes. If this is a true film, and there is no way to tell one way or the other, then the officer deserves severe punishment and dismissal from the force. The key is that anyone can post anything they want on instagram or anywhere else. Do you know who posted this? Do you trust it to be real and not staged? As I pointed out earlier, we used to be able to trust the main stream media but we can no longer trust them because they have an agenda and it is not delivering the facts which is what reporters are supposed to do. If you are willing to believe the worst of people as you seem to be, you will always believe these inflammatory videos regardless of whether the source is trustworthy or not. The uproar two years ago over children in cages is a good point. Do you really believe that the government of the United States of America would actually sanction putting small children in dog cages? If you are willing to believe the worst of us, then you would have been sucked in by the photo. If you are not willing to believe the worst of us, you might dig a little deeper and find the whole photo which shows what was actually going on.

I don't know if the scene in the video is real or staged and I have no way to determine it. All I know is if the person on the bed were black, cities would be burning over "police brutality" but since he's white, no one cares because we don't care about police brutality or perhaps too many people have been duped too many times to bite on every new atrocity that instagram shows us. In that case, the poster made a mistake in his choice of "victim".

Yes, there is evil in the world. Was this evil, on the surface yes but without knowing more I am not willing to become enraged over it. At some point, logic has to raise its ugly head. Who was filming the injured man? Why were they filming at that moment? Were they expecting something bad to happen? How convenient. The setup just doesn't make sense.

Since clearly you click on these types of films, you see what you expect to see. I'm sure you think this happens every day in every precinct in every state. Really? This is why 20 unarmed people shot out of thousands of shootings out of millions of encounters gets blown up to a crisis. Are you driving your own feed as I did with my Yahoo feed to show me only articles on royals?

@Pat Hartman It's interesting that you don't even try to believe what you see. You put everything on staging, I don't know what happened before, who first started it, why there was a camera.....Instagram....tweeter....
A bunch of excuses to justify your beliefs. You're not searching for the truth. You believe in something and you are just trying to justify any clip you see with a bunch of MAYBEs, without even thinking you may be wrong.

Do you really want to see the truth? Or you simply deny anything in front of your eyes?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/05/cop-slapped-suicidal-hospital-patient-then-video-emerged/

Drug-dealing Paterson cop Ruben McAusland sentenced to more than five years in prison

Former Police Officer Ruben McAusland pleaded guilty last June to selling thousands of dollars’ worth of heroin, cocaine and marijuana.

www.northjersey.com

"There's one in every crowd" as the saying goes.

If you really to see there are more than one in a crowd, PM me your social media handle name.

 

[deletedT]

Oh, I'll just say I had a good laugh at the prospect of Americans teaching English to Japs. English is difficult enough for Yanks let alone trying to teach it. What a joke that was.

Col,
We are brought up to respect anyone at any situation. But sometimes I have to do my best to keep that rule.

Our schools start teaching English from third grade in elementary school (from 9 years old) up to the last year of high school (18 years old).
Each school has to have at least 2 native English teacher, to teach the correct pronunciation. There may be more local (Japanese) teachers, but they have to be fluent in English)
And almost all English teachers are from US. Our ears accept American English better than British English. Maybe because there were too many Americans here after the war.

Moreover, UK is ranked 5th in GDP listing, while USA has been First for so many years. So it seems more logical for us to learn American English because it comes more handy (We have more trade with US than UK), even if you believe their English is not correct.

I don't know if Japs (the way you prefer to call us) learning English is funny for you
or Yanks (the way you prefer to call American) teaching English gave you a good laugh. 'cause I don't see anything funny in it.
And I would be upset If I was the one who was thinking about coming here and teaching English.

 

[deletedT]

that's because they don't know what to expect, we hear Americans carry guns in their glove box....... We hear Americans carry guns in shoulder holsters, ...... We hear most Americans are on drugs and spaced out so their behaviour is unpredictable.
...... again officers have to be prepared.

Or they may be simply lying in a bed in a hospital...

 

[The_Doc_Man]

@Tera - I cannot disagree with you that cops like that McAusland fellow give cops everywhere a bad name and, by association if nothing else, spread that to make it look like all USA citizens must be corrupt. But we can never allow ourselves to forget that this world has been beset by reporters for whom the attention-grabbing headline is the Holy Grail of modern journalism. They get paid by their editors to bring in readership without regard to absolute truth.

I would almost welcome a curtailment of freedom of the press in order to revoke the press credentials of people who publish more than some specific number of clearly biased "news" articles in a given year trying to pass it off as straight news.

In the USA, freedom of the press is considered crucial in order to keep the populace well-informed. But what we see in modern journalism is nothing more than political infomercials. Totally useless.

 

[Jon]

It is hard to know what to believe nowadays. Take the case of Jussie Smollett. Plastered over all the news channels was this hate crime, only later to find out that it looks like it was staged. Then after that, after being charged, he was mysteriously let off with the files sealed so that no one can see any of the details about the case. How odd!

 

[Pat Hartman]

It's interesting that you don't even try to believe what you see

I do believe what I see. I see what appears to be a policeman coming into the frame and slapping what appears to be an injured man in the face. The problem is that there is no context and unlike you, I am not simply willing to believe the worst of everyone just because someone posted a video. As I said, ask yourself WHO was filming? WHY was he filming a person who was seemingly just laying there? WHAT was he waiting for? The scene as it played out made absolutely no sense. It appears to be staged. Was the person doing the filming with the cop? If he was, he wouldn't have released such a damaging video. Was he with the "victim", if he was, why did he remain passively videoing the scene and not react at all? If the video depicts real abuse by an officer, then I agree totally that he should be punished and dismissed from the force. I'm not sure why you think I am standing up for him because I am not. Abuse is absolutely wrong. Officers who abuse their power should be removed from duty and prosecuted if appropriate.

What we disagree on is whether or not this is a crisis or systemic or racist. When there are millions of interactions between police and civilians every year, the number that are examples of police abuse is minuscule. Literally a rounding error. Each individual abuse event is wrong but we do not have a crisis. The issue is the media - "if it bleeds, it leads". You would NEVER, EVER hear the story about the police officer who stopped and changed a tire for me because there was no drama. There was just a kind man performing a good deed for a fellow human being. And that is not the only time an officer went "above and beyond" to help me. I was once lost in a blizzard. It was terrifying. I was fifty miles from home in an area I had never been to before. The person I was following home from the bridge tournament was driving too fast and I lost him in the snow so I was driving around and around trying to find a landmark and a phone. This was before cell phones. I actually had a car phone but i couldn't get it to work. I had only had it for a month and had only used it a few times. I didn't realize that I had changed networks when I crossed from Connecticut into New York and had to tell the phone to roam. I pulled into a shopping center where there were lots of lights and I was sitting there trying to read the phone manual when a cruiser pulled up. He had his station call my friend's wife and the cop waited there with me until my friend showed up. And they've been others. Cops have helped my husband and my daughter also. An oil tanker once helped my daughter That was quite an event. She had gone out in a small boat on long island sound to go fishing with a friend and they ran out of gas. They were drifting around and my daughter finally went through all the compartments in the boat and found a Miss Kitty candle that one of the kids had left on board and when they heard the horn from the tanker they signaled him with the candle. The tanker slid silently by looming huge next to their tiny boat. It took about a mile for the tanker to stop but they did eventually stop and then backed up to the little boat. The captain took the two of them on board after they climbed up the rope ladder which was at least three stories tall. The cook gave them some sandwiches and a blanket and some gas for the motor and then they called me to report that the kids were found. It was 10 o'clock and I already had the police looking for them.

There are far more good people in the world than bad. It is only the advent of the 24-hour news cycle that gave rise to the "if it bleeds, it leads" mantra. We keep hearing nothing but bad news and it warps the way we think about the world but the world is NOT a more dangerous place than it was when I was a child. We have only been trained to be more afraid so the media can sell more advertising. COVID is the epitome of this fear training. It has most people so terrified that they'd paint themselves purple of Dr Faucci told them it would make them "safe". As some great pundit (maybe Franklin) once said - If you are willing to give up freedom for safety, you will end up with neither.