Rittenhouse - innocent or guilty?

Kyle Rittenhouse has given everyone a "use of force" template for dealing with mobs in open carry states and the left are not happy.

1. Keep the muzzle pointed down.
2. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard.
3. Aid victims
4. Retreat when necessary.
5. Fire when threatened with physical harm, not property.
5b. Contact law enforcement after firing your weapon.

Pretty simple.
This then goes through the media filter...

1. Gun pointed at peaceful protesters.
2. Trigger happy violent Kyle was an active shooter who crossed state lines.
3. The only victims were those who were shot.
4. He chased Rosenbaum.
5. He fired 60 rounds. This vigilante went looking for trouble.
5b. Kyle was a racist white supremacist who used white privilege while siding with those who commit police brutality.

Oh, what a wonderful world we live in!
 
Interesting take. :D

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I'm not sure that anyone thought he was guilty as charged except maybe Doc,

Actually, Pat, in trying to analyze it, I found that all of the actions that could have made Kyle guilty ALSO applied to the people he was confronting. Which is why I kept on talking about "balance." I was referring to "balance of evidence" and was trying to find minutiae that would make a difference because the broad-brush facts of the case were so precisely in balance. And I never could find anything to break my opinion of the balance. Which means that the "spur of the moment self-defense action" was probably the true explanation.

My confusion was based on how every major thing having to do with the case was not pointing either way. It came down to who was the better shot and quickest to react - a classic gunfight outcome. So I'm actually willing to accept the self-defense argument. Nothing else stood out that would have changed my mind.
 
The bottom line though is that Kyle was never the aggressor. he kept trying to get away from the people who were trying to harm him and thank fully there is ample video. Strangely or maybe not so strangely, ALL of the people he shot were criminals already.

I think Kyle made a poor choice to go to the riot. But, once there, he did nothing wrong. He was repeatedly attacked and he defended himself. I am very happy that the jury was able to overcome their fear of the mob.
 
Pat, sometimes I go around three left turns to go around the block get to the right-hand corner. It might come as a shock to you, but sometimes I will over-analyze something. But even after my analysis led me around a few odd corners, I have to agree with you. Nothing Kyle did stood out as illegal. Unwise? Yes. Illegal? No.
 
I'm glad it's over and the jury didn't cave to the mob. They were very brave. Now Kyle gets to sue the pants off all the people who slandered him who should have known better. He'll end up with millions. And the press will continue to be the enemy of the people. I think the NY Times made some "corrections" a few days ago to their lies about Trump and Russia. Not on the front page of course.
 
The best part of the legal case, it sets precedent in the law, instead of some janky hack the prosecution was trying to cobble together. It's a victory for normies.
 
Another healthy aspect of this case is how the polarity switched sides. It puts the shoe on the other foot.
 
I came up with a theory, which on first inspection may seem daft, but think about it and it is not all together that outlandish.

My understanding is that Rosenbaum came out of a mental institution following an attempted suicide. Maybe someone can confirm if that is right or not. Then, during the riot, he was confronting the armed repeatedly shouting, "Shoot me! Shoot me!" Maybe he wanted to be shot! He tried to take his own life before the riot, he asked armed people to shoot him, and then he chases an armed person who shot him. Is it a question that Kyle gave him what he wanted and that in fact Rosenbaum wanted to provoke him into shooting?
Very sensible theory, Jon. How did I miss this?
Suicidal people are often serious.
 
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The Rittenhouse case raises an overwhelming number of issues. First, the abysmal performance of the prosecution. Did the prosecution believe that, given the current mania of Wokeness sweeping the nation, that a conviction would be "automatic". That the jurors would mindlessly vote to convict?
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This also raises concerns with the media that was screaming for conviction. The media screaming for conviction apparently believed that the prosecution was irrelevant factor. The only relevant factor for the media was that Rittenhouse had a gun and killed two people. For them that was proof of Rittenhouse's guilt. Issues such as self-defense ant the right to possess a gun were blatantly ignored. To the extent they weren't ignored, the media claimed that it is now time to "rethink" the concept self-defense and the Second Amendment.

The media also disingenuously totally ignored that the mob was inciting violence. So it is OK, if you are a member of a (left wing) mob to commit mayhem, but if you are an individual protecting yourself you can be charged with a crime.
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The comments by Biden and Harris are deplorable. It seems that for both Biden and Harris, when a jury verdict does not match their political agenda, then that verdict is somehow inappropriate. Consider that Harris was a prosecutor and also raised money to bail left-wing rioters out-of-jail. But as a former prosecutor Harris should have complemented the jury for its findings. Also, see below, that Biden poisoned the legal process by advocating, without facts, that Rittenhouse was a "White Supremacist".
So Biden, now President of the US and the top political leader, aggressively put his thumb on the scales of justice as an attempt to "force" a guilty verdict before the trial even began.

The Governor of Wisconsin (Tony Evers) another top political leader, not to be outdone with left wing political insanity. His remarks totally ignored the aggressive actions Huber, Rosenbaum, and Grosskreutz’s against Rittenhouse. Furthermore, Evers was apparently absent from sending in law enforcement to protect the people of Kenosha from mob violence. On the verdict, Evers even made various repulsive remarks. That the Rittenhouse's trial has "reopened wounds that have not yet fully healed" and that "No ruling today changes our reality in Wisconsin that we have work to do toward equity, accountability, and justice that communities across our state are demanding and deserve.” Evers was underming the jury's findings. The government has a responsibility to protect peoples lives and property from mob violence, not endorse mob violence.

To make a conclusionary summation, the top US political leaders aggressively sought to manipulate the judicial system to find Rittenhouse guilty. Having failed in that disgusting manipulation, they then undermined the jury's findings. An obvious implication, the top US political leaders are seeking to use the legal system for political persecution to implement left-wing political objectives. Essentially an attempt to implement Soviet style "show trials" were people are guilty based on politics, not actual crimes.
Yeah, I miss Tommy Thompson now..
 
I'm glad it's over and the jury didn't cave to the mob. They were very brave. Now Kyle gets to sue the pants off all the people who slandered him who should have known better. He'll end up with millions. And the press will continue to be the enemy of the people. I think the NY Times made some "corrections" a few days ago to their lies about Trump and Russia. Not on the front page of course.
What would you guess his life expectancy to be?
 
I'm not sure why his life would be in danger. The riots fizzled. I guess people aren't as stupid as they look and they realized that they'd been lied to incessantly for over a year. Once the pictures of the "victims" were released and it was clear that none was black, the wind sort of went out of the sail. People don't like it when the press and the government lie to them. Some are waking up and asking, "what else are they lying to me about?" I think Kyle's going to have to leave Kenosha though. It's too small a town.

One of my favorite bridge partners who hadn't been able to say Trump's name without spitting, is even coming around as more news of the lies told by the press and the members of Congress are circulating more freely. She's a Republican who voted for Biden because she hated Trump with a purple passion.
 
I'm not sure why his life would be in danger. The riots fizzled. I guess people aren't as stupid as they look and they realized that they'd been lied to incessantly for over a year. Once the pictures of the "victims" were released and it was clear that none was black, the wind sort of went out of the sail. People don't like it when the press and the government lie to them. Some are waking up and asking, "what else are they lying to me about?" I think Kyle's going to have to leave Kenosha though. It's too small a town.

One of my favorite bridge partners who hadn't been able to say Trump's name without spitting, is even coming around as more news of the lies told by the press and the members of Congress are circulating more freely. She's a Republican who voted for Biden because she hated Trump with a purple passion.
mmm...well, hopefully you're right, that's an optimistic view of people who aren't interested in hardly anything factual in the first place
 
This guy is screwed...but...it IS Texas. Texas has laws that allow property owners broad rights. IMO, the shooter should be tried for murder.

Are you suggesting this guy and Rittenhouse behaved in the same manner?

Not a "tree-hugger" but it is alarming to witness his complete disregard for human life. How is he going to be able to look his step-son in the eye and explain to him why he can no longer see his father? Both women's reactions seemed a little low-key as well - maybe they were in shock.
 
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It happened 3 weeks ago and still no charges. The Baby Momma is a Judge.

Are you suggesting this guy and Rittenhouse behaved in the same manner?
Not suggesting anything. Just some food for thought. What escalated the situation?
 

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