Should I Learn MS Access in the AI Era? (1 Viewer)

[DickyP]

young generation is not able to read an analog watch, because every recent watch is digital.

I would argue that if they can't read an analogue watch they can't actually tell the time!

To teach analogue tme is a matter of minutes - it's , by definition, a picture of reality. A digital watch / clock is just numbers.

After your original post I didn't reply immediately but first did a little practical research. In my town 60% of all public clocks are still analogue and a larger percentage of all the watches on sale in the major stores.

Lastly how do explain what a digital time is without an analogue description? The answer is you can't.

 

[AccessBlaster]

When a digital clock breaks, it's just rubbish; but when an analog clock breaks, it's right twice a day.

 

[Mark_]

When a digital clock breaks, it's just rubbish; but when an analog clock breaks, it's right twice a day.

But the broken digital clock could always be telling you how long until NOW!

 

[Mike Krailo]

Watches might make a comeback in all the schools that are banning the use of cell phones during school hours. Ain't it great? Invest in watches and learning Access.

I'm glad I jumped onto the Access learning train yeas ago, but I would still learn it all over again if I had to.

 

[KitaYama]

To teach analogue tme is a matter of minutes - it's , by definition, a picture of reality. A digital watch / clock is just numbers.

For you maybe. but not for someone who has born in a digital world. What does it mean "a picture of reality" or "just numbers"? Time is a number. How long has been passed since 0:00.

In my town 60% of all public clocks are still analogue and a larger percentage of all the watches on sale in the major stores.

I didn't talk about your town. I don't know where you live. I talked about what's started to happen world wide. Your town may be too old fashion.
But since you're from UK (I assume) here some for UK news:

Schools are throwing out analog clocks because kids can't read them

Some schools in the U.K. are reportedly ditching traditional analog clocks because students aren't able to tell time during tests.

www.today.com

U.K. schools getting rid of analog clocks because teens "cannot tell time"

Schools in the U.K. have decided to remove analog clocks because smartphone-dependent teens can't read them, a teacher's union said

www.cbsnews.com

Schools are removing analogue clocks from exam halls as teenagers 'cannot tell the time'

Schools are removing analogue clocks from examination halls because teenagers are unable to tell the time, a head teachers’ union has said.

www.telegraph.co.uk

British Schools Are Removing Analog Clocks From Classrooms Because Kids Can't Read Them

British school officials have begun removing traditional clocks from exam halls as students have been complaining that they can't read them

people.com

Or do Google : schools are removing analogue clocks

Lastly how do explain what a digital time is without an analogue description? The answer is you can't.

I really am failing to understand your point. Digital time? What is digital time?
A clock or a watch is a device to show the time. Different types of clocks use different methods.
Measuring Time existed from the beginning and man kind has created different devices from several thousands years ago to describe it.
It didn't start with an analogue clock with two or three hands and surely it won't stop with it.

Here's different types from ancient methods:

1. Sundial – Uses the shadow of a gnomon (a stick or triangular piece) cast by the sun to indicate the time.
2. Water Clock (Clepsydra) – Measures time by the regulated flow of water from one container to another. Used by ancient Egyptians and Greeks.
3. Hourglass (Sand Clock) – Uses sand flowing from an upper chamber to a lower one to measure fixed time intervals.
4. Candle Clock – A candle marked with intervals burns at a steady rate, showing time as it melts.
5. Incense Clock – A timed-burning incense stick with markers for timekeeping, used in China and Japan.
6. Obelisk – Large stone pillars used by the Egyptians that functioned as giant sundials.
7. Nocturnal (Star Clock) – A device used to tell time at night by measuring the position of stars.
8. Oil Lamp Clock – Similar to candle clocks, these measured time by the steady consumption of oil in a lamp.

Evolution of Clocks:

• First mechanical clock was invented in late 13th century.
• First clocks with hands was introduced from late 14th and first 15th century.
• Minute hand was added in late 16th century and improved its accuracy in 1577 by Jost Bürgi
• Second hand was introduced in 1680s as a result of better gear mechanisms being available.
• The modern-style analogue clock, with clear hour and minute hands moving smoothly around a 12-hour dial, was widely used by the 17th century and became common in homes by the 18th century.

Do your really think this evolution will stop with our current clocks and won't change in future? If your answer is yes, then I have nothing more to say.

 

[jdraw]

Future clock may already be designed.
Nuclear Clock

 

[Mike Krailo]

@KitaYama You forgot one. There is the simple counting of days thanks to the sun. Kind of like the North Korean people have to do. It would be really hard to tell time without light or movement of the planets and stars.

 

[KitaYama]

@KitaYama You forgot one. There is the simple counting of days thanks to the sun. Kind of like the North Korean people have to do. It would be really hard to tell time without light or movement of the planets and stars.

I will do a research. But as far as I know, it's a calendar (measuring days) not a clock (measuring time).
I may be wrong though. We learned about it in school and it's long time ago.
Thanks for reminding. I'll check it out.

 

[KitaYama]

When a digital clock breaks, it's just rubbish; but when an analog clock breaks, it's right twice a day.

I have heard this joke before. And always have wished if I could ask someone. But never had a chance.
Not that I want to destroy the humor you showed and made us smile, but since it's a question I've always had, I think I will ask it here.

What does Breaks mean in English? It means it stops working or it's running slow or fast?

Because I always thought:
If the clock is stopped, I think that saying is correct.
But if a clock is running fast or lagging behind, it will never show the correct time.

 

[Mike Krailo]

I should have said position of the sun. But I'm pretty sure that's the most basic clock there is (looking up at the sun). Notice, in darkness there is no reference like there is in the day. This is what drove us to make such things as mechanical and eventually digital clocks. I do understand how the younger generation would gravitate towards the digital clock. Honestly, I preferred the digital clock when I was younger as well.

What does Breaks mean in English? It means it stops working or it's running slow or fast?

It means the hands on the dial of the clock are frozen in position. That's all.

 

[KitaYama]

I should have said position of the sun.

Ok, If you mean that, I'm aware of it. But it's really not as correct as most people think. It's just like "approximately".

Ancient Korea had a unique way of measuring time, influenced by both Chinese systems and local adaptations.
The day was divided into 12 hours.
Each time period was named after one of the 12 zodiac animals:

1. The 12 Earthly Branches Time System (十二時辰, 십이시진)

• Ja (자, 子) – 23:00 ~ 01:00 (Rat)
• Chuk (축, 丑) – 01:00 ~ 03:00 (Ox)
• In (인, 寅) – 03:00 ~ 05:00 (Tiger)
• Myo (묘, 卯) – 05:00 ~ 07:00 (Rabbit)
• Jin (진, 辰) – 07:00 ~ 09:00 (Dragon)
• Sa (사, 巳) – 09:00 ~ 11:00 (Snake)
• O (오, 午) – 11:00 ~ 13:00 (Horse)
• Mi (미, 未) – 13:00 ~ 15:00 (Goat)
• Sin (신, 申) – 15:00 ~ 17:00 (Monkey)
• Yu (유, 酉) – 17:00 ~ 19:00 (Rooster)
• Sul (술, 戌) – 19:00 ~ 21:00 (Dog)
• Hae (해, 亥) – 21:00 ~ 23:00 (Pig)

2. The Five Watches of the Night (경, 更)
Nighttime was divided into five "Gyeong (경, 更)", each lasting about 2 hours:

• Il-gyeong (일경, 一更) – 19:00 ~ 21:00
• I-gyeong (이경, 二更) – 21:00 ~ 23:00
• Sam-gyeong (삼경, 三更) – 23:00 ~ 01:00
• Sa-gyeong (사경, 四更) – 01:00 ~ 03:00
• Oh-gyeong (오경, 五更) – 03:00 ~ 05:00

Note: It was what they taught us in school. I have no proof on its validity.

 

[Mike Krailo]

I'm a horse according to the zodiac, my wife is Japanese and she is a dragon.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I see AI as a lever. Over time, as AI gets better and better, the lever gets longer and longer. Eventually, a mere gust of wind will be enough to lift a mountain. After that, AI will be using the lever and we all become couch potatoes.

Nope, I got there early. I retired in 2016. But so far, my dear wife hasn't called me "spud" yet.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

What does Breaks mean in English? It means it stops working or it's running slow or fast?

I would say "stops working properly" (without regard to any actual reason) - and specifically for clocks, suddenly loses whatever tenuous synchronization it might have had with whatever time really is.

 

[DickyP]

For you maybe. but not for someone who has born in a digital world. What does it mean "a picture of reality" or "just numbers"? Time is a number. How long has been passed since 0:00.


I didn't talk about your town. I don't know where you live. I talked about what's started to happen world wide. Your town may be too old fashion.
But since you're from UK (I assume) here some for UK news:

Schools are throwing out analog clocks because kids can't read them

Some schools in the U.K. are reportedly ditching traditional analog clocks because students aren't able to tell time during tests.

www.today.com

U.K. schools getting rid of analog clocks because teens "cannot tell time"

Schools in the U.K. have decided to remove analog clocks because smartphone-dependent teens can't read them, a teacher's union said

www.cbsnews.com

Schools are removing analogue clocks from exam halls as teenagers 'cannot tell the time'

Schools are removing analogue clocks from examination halls because teenagers are unable to tell the time, a head teachers’ union has said.

www.telegraph.co.uk

British Schools Are Removing Analog Clocks From Classrooms Because Kids Can't Read Them

British school officials have begun removing traditional clocks from exam halls as students have been complaining that they can't read them

people.com

Or do Google : schools are removing analogue clocks


I really am failing to understand your point. Digital time? What is digital time?
A clock or a watch is a device to show the time. Different types of clocks use different methods.
Measuring Time existed from the beginning and man kind has created different devices from several thousands years ago to describe it.
It didn't start with an analogue clock with two or three hands and surely it won't stop with it.

Here's different types from ancient methods:

1. Sundial – Uses the shadow of a gnomon (a stick or triangular piece) cast by the sun to indicate the time.
2. Water Clock (Clepsydra) – Measures time by the regulated flow of water from one container to another. Used by ancient Egyptians and Greeks.
3. Hourglass (Sand Clock) – Uses sand flowing from an upper chamber to a lower one to measure fixed time intervals.
4. Candle Clock – A candle marked with intervals burns at a steady rate, showing time as it melts.
5. Incense Clock – A timed-burning incense stick with markers for timekeeping, used in China and Japan.
6. Obelisk – Large stone pillars used by the Egyptians that functioned as giant sundials.
7. Nocturnal (Star Clock) – A device used to tell time at night by measuring the position of stars.
8. Oil Lamp Clock – Similar to candle clocks, these measured time by the steady consumption of oil in a lamp.

Evolution of Clocks:

• First mechanical clock was invented in late 13th century.
• First clocks with hands was introduced from late 14th and first 15th century.
• Minute hand was added in late 16th century and improved its accuracy in 1577 by Jost Bürgi
• Second hand was introduced in 1680s as a result of better gear mechanisms being available.
• The modern-style analogue clock, with clear hour and minute hands moving smoothly around a 12-hour dial, was widely used by the 17th century and became common in homes by the 18th century.

Do your really think this evolution will stop with our current clocks and won't change in future? If your answer is yes, then I have nothing more to say.

Your English is great but you clearly don't understand the word analogue! It is a picture of the real world.

 

[SachAccess]

Thanks everyone. I did not know a kind of simple or silly question would help me with so many interesting observations, inputs on various topics. The ancient Korea's unique way of measuring time is really interesting, thanks @KitaYama .

 

[SachAccess]

AI's can't actually think as a human can think. All they know is what they have seen done before. I've known a lot of programmers like that. My husband and I used to joke about Dick, who was a very nice person but had the same 2 years of experience 10 times and so was barely better than a trainee so no one wanted him on their team. He was undesirable because he didn't have the ability to conceive something he had never seen before and so was only useful for trivial tasks. When AI's can actually think, humans will be redundant and only then. The AI's power currently is with their speed and ability to summarize.

Thanks Pat.