Why isnt there a cert for Access Developers?

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Although I include in my resume that I devloped with Access for 6 years, I am asked some questions on Interviews like "did you ever use Microsoft Access" or "Have you ever done actual coding yourself?" :mad:
Seems that the guys dont beleive :)
The only certificate availbale now is the MOUS and this is basically for users not developers!
Has anybody heared of anything coming soon?
 
There used to be a certification for MCSD - "Solutions Developer" - but I have lost track of whatever became of it.
 
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Because it's not really mainstream. Sure it's good for little internal applications but for distribution purposes your better off to develop the application in VB or C++ and use Access as a backend database.

It also saves the customer from having to purchase access to run your app.
 
MadMaxx said:
It also saves the customer from having to purchase access to run your app.
There's the option of using the Devlopers Edition of MS Access to distribute runtime versions of Access to the end users.

I think I've seen a post by Pat Hartman saying that Access isn't meant to handle a lot of users. Maybe she said no more than 20? Anybody know for sure?
 
True. Never thought about the Developer edition. But still it would make sense to code a end user app in VB or C++. The job market demands more C++ or VB programmers than VBA programmers I find
 
MadMaxx, Access (Jet) is a poor choice for a back end database. Although it presents the face of a RDBMS, it is not really one and it is missing some key support. Triggers for instance. If I were developing an app with VB or something else, I would never use Jet. Whereas Access as a front end is much misunderstood and maligned. You can support an infinite (or whatever the realistic max for your be is) number of users provided each has his own copy of the fe. If the fe is linked to a Jet be, the published limit is 255. The practical limit is much smaller but really depends on network speed and the size of the recordsets being shuttled around. Access is an excellent RAD (rapid application development) tool and "real" applications that are prototyped in Access work out much better in the long run because the users can work out lots of functionality issues ahead of time.

I was at a MSDN seminar last week and the presenter said that there would be some changes in the certification categories when the 2003 version of Office is released late this year.
 
Pat Hartman said:
I was at a MSDN seminar last week and the presenter said that there would be some changes in the certification categories when the 2003 version of Office is released late this year.
Any idea what kind of changes? Went to Microsoft's website and didn't see anything new.
 
They are releasing Office on October 14th. Try again after that.
 
Pat, I was interested in Access being a useful prototype. What do you find (or work on) as the preferred 'real' application model?
 
It depends on your objectives. Web apps are hot so despite the fact that I think the web interface s..ks, that's what developers want to develop and so that's what managers want to implement. It's a resume thing. Call me old-fashioned but I really like the client/server model. It provides a rich client interface and optimum data management efficiency.

Why do you think that Access is not "real"? I agree with Jet not being the data repository of choice, but Access makes a great front end. A few years agoI was working on a large development effort to make a consolidated Client database for a multi-national company. The company consisted of numerous subsidiaries each with their own Client database. Some had several. My job was to identify all these sources of client data and consolidate them, cleaning up the data in the process. Meanwhile 4 programmers were working on developing a new front end using VB and Sybase. Then I designed and wrote a dozen mainframe CICS transactions in COBOL to pull the data from the new client/server system and update the databases of the legacy systems since they were not being converted. All that work took me a year. The 4 programmers were still working on the VB forms. I was bored waiting for them to finish so I developed the ENTIRE fe application in Access against the Sybase tables in my spare time over about three weeks. The system was fully functional and could have been distributed and used as is. However, the client wanted a "real" appliction. It was three more months before the VB fe was ready for beta testing. Now, am I that good and were they that bad that I could build with Access in three weeks an application that took four experienced programmers over a year to build with VB? Well I am that good (pat on back) and they were pretty bad but I was also using the better tool.
 
and "real" applications that are prototyped in
Sorry, just a misquote from me - I only know and have developed with Access but interested in seeing how the pro's view access as a 'tool' or a serious development environment.

Also
(Pat on back)(sic)
Is something I thought I'd never see in here. :D
 
An update on the certification thing. A few months ago, I signed up to be a member of Microsoft's Online Research Panel. So from time to time they send me surveys to complete. I just finished one on a new certification that they are proposing. It didn't have anything to do with Access so I don't know if the person I spoke to in August was misinformed or there are still more new cert programs in the pipeline. I'll keep you posted if I hear anything.
 

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