DOGE

[Steve R.]

The only way to reduce the debt is by growing the economy.

Cutting spending works too!

 

[AccessBlaster]

If that's the case better ice up that arm cause you're gonna do a lot of throwing.

Yup, the hypocrisy on the left is nothing short of amazing. Coal miners and oil workers can go pound sand. While government workers are sacred cows that vote leftwing. No wonder Clinton / Gore, and Obummer only talked about cutting the government.

 

[Mike Krailo]

If there was no federal income taxes due for this years taxes and going forward, the economy would be booming in very short order provided there wasn't any crazy printing of new dollars like sleepy joe did.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Just remember, not only physical printing works to expand the number of dollars in circulation. Loosening up credit at least indirectly has the same effect. There are other ways to do that as well. Which I'm sure our friend Thales750 would be happy to list.

 

[Steve R.]

If there was no federal income taxes due for this years taxes and going forward, the economy would be booming in very short order provided there wasn't any crazy printing of new dollars like sleepy joe did.

The Democrats love to print money. They apparently have no interest in cutting spending. So if we simply print all the money needed, there is no need for an income tax!

 

[Isaac]

The only way to reduce the debt is by growing the economy.
Remember that when inflation, growth, and unemployment, all reflect the dark side.

This reminds me of me and my wife. I've always been focused on maximizing my earnings. She's focused on "what can we CUT". (which kinda makes sense because she wasn't the primary earner).

It seems some of both is needed though right?

 

[Isaac]

Yup, the hypocrisy on the left is nothing short of amazing. Coal miners and oil workers can go pound sand. While government workers are sacred cows that vote leftwing. No wonder Clinton / Gore, and Obummer only talked about cutting the government.

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So true. I am glad I likened this situation to the climate change issue, as there are so many parallels.

All the libs seem to easily understand & accept the idea of painful changes for the benefit of the climate, but they can't accept anything remotely similar for a problem just as important. the national debt

 

[Isaac]

Speaking of DOGE and saving/spending money, what decides when the USA prints money versus legitimately borrowing actual money from somewhere? I suppose I could go to chatgpt for this and perhaps I will. But I don't mind getting my friends' perspectives either.

 

[Isaac]

This seems very reasonable https://www.foxbusiness.com/politic...vestors-5-million-price-tag-route-citizenship

I mean a number of countries have been doing this for a long time.

 

[Isaac]

 

[Thales750]

Cutting spending works too!

I guess we'll see.
It's like if you stop drinking coffee, you'll become a billionaire.

 

[Thales750]

This reminds me of me and my wife. I've always been focused on maximizing my earnings. She's focused on "what can we CUT". (which kinda makes sense because she wasn't the primary earner).

It seems some of both is needed though right?

When you mix up micro and macro economics, you get mud. The rules are vastly different, they have almost nothing in common.

 

[Thales750]

If there was no federal income taxes due for this years taxes and going forward, the economy would be booming in very short order provided there wasn't any crazy printing of new dollars like sleepy joe did.

Wow. so many people nowadays have no concept of circulating currency, or economic multipliers.

 

[Steve R.]

I guess we'll see.
It's like if you stop drinking coffee, you'll become a billionaire.

A ridicules analogy. Demonstrates your lack of understanding and credibility.

 

[AccessBlaster]

A ridicules analogy. Demonstrates your lack of understanding and credibility.

I think Trump broke his brain

 

[Thales750]

A ridicules analogy. Demonstrates your lack of understanding and credibility.

I think Trump broke his brain

Being ridiculed by you guys is truly a great compliment, and a challenge.

I've been thinking about this (unlike like you guys, thinking not feeling) for 40 years. To this day, undoing the conservative brain washing has proven to be one of the most difficult teaching experiences of my life.

No historical fact has any effect on you. No causality revels itself to you. No patterns emerge.

And here we are, conservative have always been brainwashed into blaming the government for all of their person inadequacies, and they self fulfill by voting in the worst possible folks.

DOGE will not change the debt even in the slightest, it will however, put people out of work, slow growth, reduce the ability's of our government to function, and then the idiot in Orange (as do his dito head followers) somehow believe that on top of all this, his tariff program is gonna fund the government.

Yeah, it must be me with the broken brain.

 

[Mike Krailo]

When you mix up micro and macro economics, you get mud. The rules are vastly different, they have almost nothing in common.

Exactly, rules for thee, but not for me. Macro politics in a nutshell. Economics is meaningless in a tyranny.

I've been thinking about this (unlike like you guys, thinking not feeling) for 40 years.

That's a pretty high sanctimonious pedestal you put yourself on. Maybe you can take Rachal Maddow's place on MSNBC after she gets fired. I'm sure her crew will buy all your BS.

 

[NauticalGent]

That's a pretty high sanctimonious pedestal you put yourself on. Maybe you can take Rachal Maddow's place on MSNBC after she gets fired. I'm sure her crew will buy all your BS.

 

[Pat Hartman]

One report that really got me salivating was about a bunch of money that was paid out by the Treasury Dept. with no ID on the (several) accounts - meaning it cannot be traced.

It can't be traced internally to the bill it was intended to pay but you can use the banking system to track whose account got the money or who cashed the check. I can't even cash a check in my own bank where people great me by name without showing a photo ID. The DOGE team shouldn't get bogged down with this work, at this point in time. They need to hit hard and get the biggest bang. Log the problem areas and propose procedural changes to stop the leakage going forward. Their first SSA release was misleading. Who cares how many people the SSA thinks are alive. We need to know how many checks are going out and THOSE are the people whose ages we start with. Again, Tracking down everyone over 100 receiving SSA payments isn't what DOGE needs to do. They need to identify the problems and suggest procedural changes and let the people on staff fix the problem they created. THEN fire them. DOGE also needs to look for double dippers, at least as far a government employees go since government employees are not allowed to have second jobs, especially if they are "working" from home.

Who creates a system to pay bills that does NOT tie the payment to the invoice??????????????? Dumb government employees, that's who. It's not their money so they don't feel any fiduciary responsibility.

 

[Pat Hartman]

The only way to reduce the debt is by growing the economy.

You start with eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse. Then you go to 0-based budgeting and make every department justify their staff and increased expenses if they want more money for next year. Just because you needed $200,000 for building repairs or computer upgrades last year, doesn't mean you need that money next year unless it was a multi-year job. Yes, inflation matters but so does reality.