Another mass shooting

Billions for our "allies" Ukraine, Israel, and Illegals, but hardly anything for the border or Veterans. Veterans get a measly 1 day a year while other classes get months and months of recognition, it's sad.
 
Pat, you are proving, once again, there is no issue, no point, and no perspective ,where you're precious Trump and his Worshipers are both the only righteous, and the only victimized.

This is a result of the most dangerous brain washing of all. Where people seek out only to reinforce their already preconceived ideas. You have made no concessions, for that you should be proud.

You may be the most right winged fanatic I have come across in this last 30 years of having these discussions. I'm not answering any more of your positions.

I know in your own mind, that just means that you have defeated me.
 
Pat Hartman said:
The ad holmium attacks on Trump are payback for Bubba's impeachment.
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To the fed, one million ($1,000,000) or even 1 billion ($1,000,000,000) is nothing compared with
(a) the annual expenditure $6,600,000,000,000 ($6.6 trillion)
(b) the annual deficit $1,800,000,000,000 ($1.8 trillion)
(c) the federal total debt $34,700,000,000,000 ($34.7 trillion)

But the total debt does not seem so bad when expressed per tax payer a bit more than a quarter million ($270,000)
 
Pat Hartman said:
You could stop deflecting. Although you did admit to some interesting points:
1. You KNOW that the Steele dossier was an attempt to discredit Trump and had no basis in reality and therefore, you KNOW that the FBI was interfering in an election by not coming clean up front about it. Not to mention wasting money the government takes from me at gunpoint (since apparently you don't care how the government wastes your money).
2. The ad holmium attacks on Trump are payback for Bubba's impeachment.
3. there was a COVID point earlier but I'm not going to go looking for it.
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Once again you bring up multiple disconnected points. The reason is that you, on some level, know you are spuing unprovable propaganda points. By the presenting the multiple subject method you just tire out any one that has actual facts.
And I am tired. So you win, Trump will sit at the right hand of God after all.
 
AccessBlaster said:
And Chinese, Israeli, Ukraine, and about 180 others.
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The right wing fanatics in Congress are siding with Putin. MTG is literally quoting the Russian Manifesto. How far can the extreme right push this nation until there is internal conservative backlash. Sayin there is Chinese, Israeli, and Ukrainian propaganda is a ridiculous comparison.
Israel is a long term ally, the Ukraine is an ally whose innocent citizens have been bombed out of their homes. China is a major trading partner.

Russia is an enemy, as is Iran.

Do you seriously defend that position, and not question whether or not it is a result of conservative propaganda? Look what single issue voting has done to us.
 
Thales750 said:
The right wing fanatics in Congress are siding with Putin. MTG is literally quoting the Russian Manifesto. How far can the extreme right push this nation until there is internal conservative backlash. Sayin there is Chinese, Israeli, and Ukrainian propaganda is a ridiculous comparison.
Israel is a long term ally, the Ukraine is an ally whose innocent citizens have been bombed out of their homes. China is a major trading partner.

Russia is an enemy, as is Iran.

Do you seriously defend that position, and not question whether or not it is a result of conservative propaganda? Look what single issue voting has done to us.
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When it comes to spending we have to get our own house in order FIRST. I don't care about MTG or the SQUAD, BTW your side conveniently ignores. Let's stop hemorrhaging money first.

We need to cleanup Biden's border fiasco and stop our third world slide into oblivion.

Then we can talk about humanitarian efforts for world.
 
AccessBlaster said:
When it comes to spending we have to get our own house in order FIRST. I don't care about MTG or the SQUAD, BTW your side conveniently ignores. Let's stop hemorrhaging money first.

We need to cleanup Biden's border fiasco and stop our third world slide into oblivion.

Then we can talk about humanitarian efforts for world.
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We agree on the concept, I suspect our opinions on the cause might differ...
 
Pat Hartman said:
NATO should have been disbanded when the USSR fell.
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Except that Putin wants to re-build a new version of the Soviet empire and just call it Russia. As long as Russia has ambitious land goals, there will be at least a good excuse if not a solid reason for NATO to exist.
 
Pat Hartman said:
Recognizing that Biden pushed Putin into acting isn't being a traitor. It is seeing reality. Biden knew (or maybe he didn't) that NATO was a threat to Russia and by insisting that Ukraine join NATO was just something that Putin was not willing to tolerate.

We don't have to support Putin's decision to understand his motivation. Biden had the ability to NOT poke the bear but instead he chose to deliberately provoke Putin. I wonder what he thought would happen? Did Biden deliberately provoke Putin into invading Ukraine? Will we ever know?

NATO should have been disbanded when the USSR fell.
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Yes it's true, Biden went back in time and encouraged Putin to invade Crimea.
Are you kidding? You're making a joke, right?
If not, one of your family members should do an intervention and remove all of your AM radios.
 
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