Crossroads,

I'm going to keep harping on this Isaac. So, you are OK with the government taking money from me, at gunpoint because it makes you feel virtuous?
As far to the right as it gets. Beyond this point we fall off the flat earth.
 
I agree with Pat. Cooperation is the main ingredient in survival when the context, which matters, is a desperate one.
Otherwise, competition is needed to really thrive - not just survive.
As you well know, that is an extreme oversimplification. You don't actually agree with Pat. Y'all differ on many points. You might be surprised to find out we (you and I) agree more.
In the world of inventing and engineering, there is always this scale, on one 0 on the other infinity. so you do that math and you decide where on the line is the optimal solution. Of course there are other lines, that cross this one, especially in complex scenarios.

For the most part people's beliefs on various subject are somewhere along those lines. it is rare to encounter people that actually cling to one end or the other, you are not one of those people. Furthermore, if you take a single uncomplicated topic, no matter how complex, people will be more aligned on that issue than they will when you discuss the general problems.

I am guilty of pot stirring on this forum, I admit it. But how can i resist, it's like thumping a violin string in an echo chamber.
 
Beyond this point we fall off the flat earth.

I believe the geometry of the Earth has been established as not being flat. Aristarchus of Samos (310-230 BCE) decided that issue 2200 years ago.
 
I believe the geometry of the Earth has been established as not being flat. Aristarchus of Samos (310-230 BCE) decided that issue 2200 years ago.
And yet, people cling to all sorts of false concepts. I crossed over on the Project 2025 thread and put some of my thoughts there that actually belong here. But no matter, those observations are the root of all of my rhetoric anyway.
 

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