Elon Musk - Tesla - FSD

which is consistent with its design to hand control back in tricky scenarios.
Down side to this approach is you would need to make sure the "Driver" is able to take control in a timely manner. As a timing issue, I would guess many drivers would need 3 to 5 seconds to register what action needs to be taken and then do something about it. If your in a position to react more quickly, what would the advantage be to "Self driving"?

Better to have a system that identifies problems, warns of them, and takes action to prevent a collision than something that turns off just before an accident.

In a DB analogy, this comes across much more as a very efficient system to alert a user they entered bad data AFTER it has been written to disk rather than validating BEFORE it occurs.

Far more useful on unmanned vehicles, especially ones that won't be sharing the road / sky / sea with manned craft.
 
Hey Mark, good callout on the timing issue—Autopilot handing control back does assume the driver’s ready to react. Tesla’s clear in its manual: Autopilot’s a driver-assist tool, not self-driving, so the driver’s always legally in charge, hands on the wheel, eyes on the road. It’s built to handle steady highway stuff—lane-keeping, cruise control—not sudden obstacles like that fake wall.

Studies (e.g., NHTSA data) suggest most drivers need 1-3 seconds to retake control, and Tesla’s alerts nudge you if you’re not engaged. The advantage? It cuts fatigue on long drives, reducing crash rates—Tesla’s at 0.02 deaths per million miles versus the U.S. average of 1.5.

Now, your point about a system that warns and prevents collisions—that’s exactly what Full Self-Driving (FSD) aims for. FSD’s a step up, designed to tackle complex scenarios, braking for obstacles, not just disengaging. The Rober video tested Autopilot, not FSD, which muddies the waters. And yeah, other cars—like GM’s Super Cruise or Ford’s BlueCruise—use similar driver-assist autopilots, all requiring the driver to stay in control.

Tesla’s not unique there; it’s just got more miles and scrutiny. For unmanned stuff, you’re spot-on—that’s where full autonomy shines, but for now, Autopilot’s about assisting, not replacing, the driver.
 
The ultimate self driver!

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No human could have avoided this accident... But FSD did!!!

@Uncle Gizmo
First of all let me start by saying I'm not against FSD. I absolutely think it's the future. So what I'm going to tell, is not because of I'm against it.
I also am not sure my observation is correct or not. It's all a guess.

Me, being on SNS for hours and hours everyday, I've seen so many AI generated clips that I really doubt any unusual thing I watch.
The clip you showed us is so suspicious. The surfaces, the head lights, the back lights, the wall at the right side of the high way, the colors, everything makes me uncomfortable with what I see there.

If you open the clip full screen, you may feel the same.
First of all the clip seems to be in a high way in China. The two big green sign in the middle of the road, and the one in the right side of the screen is written in Chinese. Tesla is rolling out advanced self-driving features in China, including autopilot on city streets, but it's not the full "Full Self-Driving" (FSD) system offered in the US, and there are some limitations due to data security concerns. So if it's in China, that clip is absolutely fake.
But, it may be filmed in Taiwan which use the same alphabet for writing. If it's in Taiwan, it may be true. But there are so many other points.

Some other points:
Everything in that clip is so clear if you open it in full screen on a large monitor, except the car number plates and the writings. No matter how much the car get close to camera, the number plates seem to be not real. It doesn't seem plates have been blurred for privacy reasons. If you play it one frame at a time, you may notice it too. In China (and I assume any other country), number plates have lights, which none of these cars have.

There are other points too. For example the digital 100KM speed limit at the left side of the high way is much more readable than those big green signs in the middle of the road. The camera has a fixed resolution and I don't think anybody can explain the difference between the clarity of the samll speed limit sign and the big green road maps. In fact the writing on those big signs should be more readable than a small 100KM.

The white solid line at left and right of the road, when the car gets near to it, at that speed, it's so unreal.
When the clip shows what is seen from Tesla's inner cam (front view), it doesn't seem to be a foggy night, but when the clip changes to back side (rear and side views), all the head lights give the impression of a foggy night.
Also the sign board of the buildings around the road. etc etc.

Again I'm not sure. But I give a high possibility of this clip being AI generated.
And again, I'm not trying to say FSD is not safe. It's only my observation from that clip.
 
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While it may seem cool to have an FSD car there is one overwhelming reason I would never drive one.
I would not want to lose my house and everything I have accumulated in my lifetime. I have an umbrella policy in addition to regular liability policies and I doubt they would be sufficient to cover the damages should I cause a deadly accident while using FSD. The article below mentions some lawsuits that should be heard soon so we'll see.

 
Why Tesla doesn't sell good in China. They have their own methods.

 
If the road infrastructure was broad and robust enough (no where near having that anytime soon), all the self driving cars can be limited to special self driver lanes in the center section of the roadways. When the technology becomes superior, this would completely allow truck drivers to be hands off during the majority part of the trip until getting off the highway where mingling with regular drivers require human driver for safety purposes. I don't think human truck drivers will go away for a very long time into the future. More important than self driving is security of the load that is being carried which requires something much more than just self driving. I guess it could be armed robots, but now things are getting too advanced for my liking.

The speed and separation between vehicles in the self driving lanes could be coordinated into a regulated network of self drivers in such a way as to maximize safety. When your in the network, you don't have any control over the vehicle, the network does. The only control you have is to decide to disengage from the network and leave those center lanes so you can take an exit ramp.

If we choose to utilize self driving technology in our family vehicles, we would simply go into the appropriate lane with all the other self driving units. I really would not use the technology off of the highway domain. To many crazy human drivers and starting and stopping, and that requires your best judgment and reflexes at your disposal.
 
Moke:-
Tesla recalls, including the latest one involving nearly all Cybertrucks announced on March 20, 2025, are often misunderstood and misrepresented in a way that can unfairly damage the company’s reputation. A key point to understand is that many Tesla "recalls" differ significantly from traditional automotive recalls, largely due to the company’s innovative use of over-the-air (OTA) software updates. This capability is a major advantage for Tesla owners, yet it’s frequently spun negatively by critics or media outlets, overshadowing the benefits and Tesla’s proactive approach to safety and customer convenience.

Tesla Recalls and Over-the-Air Updates​

Unlike traditional automakers, where a recall typically requires owners to bring their vehicles to a dealership for physical repairs, Tesla can address many issues remotely via OTA updates. These updates are similar to how a smartphone receives software patches—quick, seamless, and without the need for a service visit. Issues like display screen glitches, tire pressure monitoring, or even minor safety adjustments have historically been fixed this way. For example, of the eight Cybertruck recalls mentioned since deliveries began in late 2023, several—such as those related to the display screen or electrical systems—were resolved through OTA updates rather than mechanical fixes. This approach minimizes inconvenience for owners, reduces downtime, and allows Tesla to respond swiftly to potential problems.

However, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) classifies all fixes—whether software-based or physical—as "recalls," a legacy term that conjures images of defective parts and major safety hazards. This broad categorization often leads to misleading headlines, suggesting Tesla vehicles are plagued by persistent, severe issues. In reality, OTA recalls are a testament to Tesla’s advanced technology, enabling the company to address concerns proactively and efficiently, often before they escalate into real-world problems. Critics and traditional media, sometimes influenced by competing interests or a lack of understanding, fail to highlight this distinction, framing every recall as a strike against Tesla’s reliability.

The Latest Cybertruck Recall: A Physical Fix​

The March 20, 2025, recall of 46,096 Cybertrucks, covering all 2024 and 2025 models built between November 13, 2023, and February 27, 2025, is a notable exception to the OTA trend. This recall addresses a physical defect: the "cant rail assembly," a stainless steel trim panel along the windshield, can detach due to adhesive failure, posing a road hazard. Tesla will replace the panel free of charge, with notifications mailed to owners by May 19, 2025. While this is a traditional recall requiring service center intervention, it’s worth noting that Tesla identified the issue early—stemming from a complaint in February 2025—and has reported no crashes or injuries tied to it, despite 151 warranty claims potentially related to the defect.

Even here, the scale of the issue is often exaggerated. The NHTSA estimates only about 1% of the recalled vehicles are affected, yet Tesla opted to recall all units as a precaution. This proactive stance reflects a commitment to safety, but the headline “nearly all Cybertrucks recalled” amplifies the perception of a widespread crisis, overshadowing the limited scope of the actual problem.

Misrepresentation and Reputation Damage​

The narrative around Tesla recalls, including this latest one, is frequently weaponized to undermine the company’s reputation. Articles like the one by Matt Ott tie the recall to broader challenges—stock declines (down 42% in 2025), competition from Chinese EV makers, and vandalism linked to Elon Musk’s political role in the Trump administration’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). While these are real pressures, lumping them with a recall that’s routine in the auto industry (Ford had 62 recalls in 2024, GM 33, per X posts) creates a skewed picture of Tesla as a faltering giant. Traditional automakers’ recalls rarely garner the same level of scrutiny, despite often involving more severe mechanical failures.

The viral social media videos of people peeling off Cybertruck panels with their hands further fuel this narrative, suggesting shoddy construction. However, these incidents don’t necessarily reflect the recall’s root cause—adhesive degradation under environmental stress—and may exaggerate the issue’s prevalence. Such optics, combined with sensationalized reporting, obscure Tesla’s strengths, like its ability to innovate and adapt faster than competitors.

A Major Plus for Tesla Owners​

For Tesla owners, OTA updates are a game-changer. They eliminate the hassle of scheduling service appointments, waiting for parts, or dealing with loaner cars—common headaches with traditional recalls. The Cybertruck’s prior recalls, like the inverter fault or stuck accelerator pedal (fixed physically in April 2024), show Tesla’s willingness to tackle both software and hardware issues head-on. Even in this latest case, offering free replacements demonstrates customer-centric service. This flexibility and responsiveness are why Tesla owners often praise the brand, despite the recall headlines.

Conclusion​

Tesla’s recall process, particularly its reliance on OTA updates, is a major advantage misrepresented as a liability. The latest Cybertruck recall, while requiring physical repairs, is a routine safety measure blown out of proportion by its timing amid Tesla’s other challenges. Far from a “blow,” it’s an example of Tesla addressing a potential issue before it becomes a serious risk—something traditional automakers can’t always claim. The real story is Tesla’s technological edge, not a fabricated collapse, and owners reap the benefits daily, even if the headlines don’t reflect it.

The Truth - by Grok 3

Don't believe the media and Tesla haters!
 
This broad categorization often leads to misleading headlines, suggesting Tesla vehicles are plagued by persistent, severe issues.
When the media DELIBERATELY (because they can't possibly be that stupid) misrepresents recalls this way their intention is to do harm to Tesla. Surely Tesla has grounds for a lawsuit. Aren't companies protected from this type of libel and slander?
 
I still cannot see the point in FSD and why such huge sums are being spent on it.
 
I still cannot see the point in FSD and why such huge sums are being spent on it.

I asked grok to turn my observations into a post here below:-

Cotswold, I get why you’d question the point of FSD and all the money being poured into it—it’s a fair thing to wonder about, especially if you’re not sold on the Musk/Tesla hype. But here’s one way to look at why Musk says a car’s value could shoot up once FSD is fully ready, even for folks who’d rather roll their eyes at him.

Think of your car as more than just a ride. With FSD, it’s not sitting idle anymore—it’s basically turned into a robot, like a first-generation worker on wheels. Imagine it dropping you off at work and then zipping around town picking up passengers or delivering stuff, earning you money while you’re busy. It’s not just getting you from A to B; it’s doing stuff for you. That’s why it could be worth more—because it’s now a tool, not just a vehicle. Like how a basic tool becomes pricier when it gets a motor slapped on it and starts doing the job itself.

Musk’s point about an “immediate uplift” ties to that: once FSD works—really works, no gimmicks—people will see it’s not just a car anymore, but a starting point for something bigger, like those Optimus robots he’s on about. A car that drives itself is step one; next thing you know, it’s leading to machines that do even more. Even if you’re skeptical of the guy or the tech, it’s hard to argue with the idea that something that can make money or save time has extra value. Supply, demand, simple as that. Whether it’s worth the billions being spent? That’s another debate—but the value bump logic isn’t crazy once you see it as a robot, not just a fancy car.
 
I can see taxi companies, perhaps bus companies seeing a benefit since they can save the cost of the driver. I can see the benefit of being driven to the station/airport and returning home - saves on parking fees. Also drop us off at the pub and pick us up after a skinful (tho’ not so beneficial for the taxi/bus companies)

Love to know how picking up/delivering stuff would work. And would you really want your expensive bundle of joy being used to ferry who knows who to who knows where?

But let’s say that all works and one vehicle now does the work of say 10 vehicles to utilise the unused time. What is that going to do to the motor industry when demand drops by 90%? Let alone all those unemployed drivers.
 
A more scary thought is FSFD, Fully Self Flying Drones.
 
A more scary thought is FSFD, Fully Self Flying Drones.
Think what will happen if they make underwater drones! Drones that can explore the vast unexplored areas of the sea floor. Finding historic shipwrecks, finding vast mineral deposits .

Could make a massive leap in biology as they find new species of fish and plants!
 
A more scary thought is FSFD, Fully Self Flying Drones.
Already here. I can punch coordinates into my drone and it will follow them all while avoiding any obstacles in the way. Again the Chinese are way ahead of us.
 
Think what will happen if they make underwater drones! Drones that can explore the vast unexplored areas of the sea floor. Finding historic shipwrecks, finding vast mineral deposits .

Could make a massive leap in biology as they find new species of fish and plants!

take your pick.

 
Already here. I can punch coordinates into my drone and it will follow them all while avoiding any obstacles in the way. Again the Chinese are way ahead of us.
I guess what I meant was drones that go where ever they want (AI) to go to make sure everyone follows the laws. Constant surveillance on another level.
 

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