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And the exterior cameras?
The exterior cameras are there to catch the modern day klan. The people who love displaying swastikas and burning things. They traded in their white robes for black hoodies. They're the same folks, using fire and symbols to terrorize their victims.
 
but I can't understand why someone would spend that kind of money for a car to begin with.
Neither can I but I also wouldn't buy an Apple product. I think it is part virtue signaling and part "I have money to waste" and I'm flaunting it.
 
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worse than that . . .
Unbelievable!
Is that legal? Are these people weirdos? Maybe gathering images of children without permission. They must also be recording conversations, probably without permission. Scope for blackmail and other nefarious intent. They will know who the owner is and may well target politicians, investment company CEOs, competitors and others. Maybe Trump and Buffet? Mind you Buffet would have more sense. Probably running about in a 30 year old car anyway.

I just wonder with the external cameras, if someone stood at the side of the road, happened to swing a bag out into the road. Would the Tesla slam on the brakes? with the cars behind running into them.
 
Neither can I but I also wouldn't buy an Apple product. I think it is part virtue signaling and part "I have money to waste" and I'm flaunting it.
Exactly. Why spend money thinking you'll impress people you don't even know. But some do. Mind you so called 'prestige motors' don't break down less than a Ford. A Range Rover apparently spends 17 days a year in the workshop on average.

I have a perfectly good petrol car that does everything I need it to do. If I had bought the EV version it was nearly twice the price. When you do the maths an EV doesn't add up. I would need to be driving over 25,000 miles a year, just to save money of petrol. Being retired not a chance. Then there is the precipitous depreciation.
If you need to replace the batteries lord knows what that will cost. Just disposing of them must eye wateringly expensive, after all, it costs around £5 just for a tyre. Insurance is also higher because the slightest bump can make the batteries unstable and more prone to catching fire. Personally, I believe that recent increases in insurance on other cars is due to the EV costs being spread around. But as a company car they are tax efficient and therefore popular with staff.

A neighbour bought a new EV, then a month ago it broke down. The dealership was lost as to why. So they had the manufacturers roaming EV "expert technician" who declared it would need a software fix. Which has been confidently predicted to be "in the near future". Is that this year, or next, he was asked sarcastically and he couldn't say. So a nearly new car is gathering dust at the back of the workshop happily depreciating away. All for the sake of a line of code that is probably not the version in use now. Maybe even with those that wrote it, unavailable, or unwilling to amend it? I've stopped asking him how things are going now because he wanders about looking like he's chewing a wasp.
 
If you need to replace the batteries lord knows what that will cost.
I seem to remember it being about 30% of the initial cost so $12k +

People who own Tesla's swear by them but then so to Mac and iPhone users. When the twins went to college, I was going to buy them laptops. They wanted mac air(?). I told them to buy their own "trophy" computers. It reminded me of the fights with their mother when she was in high school and refused to wear anything but Jordash. I think if a company wants me to wear their logo on my butt, they should be paying me for the advertising space;)
 
I seem to remember it being about 30% of the initial cost so $12k +

People who own Tesla's swear by them but then so to Mac and iPhone users. When the twins went to college, I was going to buy them laptops. They wanted mac air(?). I told them to buy their own "trophy" computers. It reminded me of the fights with their mother when she was in high school and refused to wear anything but Jordash. I think if a company wants me to wear their logo on my butt, they should be paying me for the advertising space;)
Three very expensive words "I deserve it"

Back in the day, if anyone was wearing something, or had say an umbrella with a company logo on. It was a freebie from a rep. Never close to a status symbol. I still take that view today.
 
I used to have a Travelers umbrella. I loved it. I was an employee and it was a birthday gift. They gave them to all employees who turned 21 that year (it was an election year and the voting age was still 21). The streets of downtown Hartford were filled with Travelers umbrellas that year;)
 
Maybe gathering images of children without permission.
There was video of kids getting hit by the car on camera the employees posted.

If you need to replace the batteries lord knows what that will cost.
$13,000 to $20,000 PLUS DISPOSAL.

The tires alone run something like $500 each and need to replaced frequently due to the weight of the battery. Other parts are ridiculously expensive. But hey, no oil changes.

Insurance?

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Insurance?
So if you cannot insure it, the vehicle only has scrap value.

Unless of course you are exceedingly rich and can cover your own insurance.
I know someone who had a slight bump in London some years ago. When he asked the chauffeur for their insurance details, he was told his employer provided his own insurance. He should estimate the damage and he would be paid. He gave a figure and within 30 minutes a guy came along and gave him the cash. Basically a chance and brief meeting of different worlds!
Governments don't pay insurance either. They'll either pay the bill or try to avoid paying. At the end of day, there is not a claim that they cannot afford.
 
So if you cannot insure it, the vehicle only has scrap value.

That cyber truck is going through development/recall pains that are safety related, but will eventually get fixed. Other Tesla models do not suffer any problem with getting insured. As with all insurance, the coverage varies per insurance carrier and state.

If you lived in one of those LA homes in California that got burned down, many of those houses were un-insurable. So I guess they only had scrap value. The sad thing is the morons in the universities are blaming climate change as the reason for the disaster at the same time acknowledging the grossly mismanaged forest and allowing it to build up massive amounts of burnable fuel for the inevitable fire. Then they blame the insurance companies for not using the right model for calculating risk. Even native Indians knew how to manage the forest better than the current folks in charge.
 
Even native Indians knew how to manage the forest better than the current folks in charge.
Every tree, every bush, every blade of grass MUST be saved for the sake of the planet. Doesn't matter if they've fallen down dead.
 
Moke:-
Tesla recalls, including the latest one involving nearly all Cybertrucks announced on March 20, 2025, are often misunderstood and misrepresented in a way that can unfairly damage the company’s reputation. A key point to understand is that many Tesla "recalls" differ significantly from traditional automotive recalls, largely due to the company’s innovative use of over-the-air (OTA) software updates. This capability is a major advantage for Tesla owners, yet it’s frequently spun negatively by critics or media outlets, overshadowing the benefits and Tesla’s proactive approach to safety and customer convenience.

Tesla Recalls and Over-the-Air Updates​

Unlike traditional automakers, where a recall typically requires owners to bring their vehicles to a dealership for physical repairs, Tesla can address many issues remotely via OTA updates. These updates are similar to how a smartphone receives software patches—quick, seamless, and without the need for a service visit. Issues like display screen glitches, tire pressure monitoring, or even minor safety adjustments have historically been fixed this way. For example, of the eight Cybertruck recalls mentioned since deliveries began in late 2023, several—such as those related to the display screen or electrical systems—were resolved through OTA updates rather than mechanical fixes. This approach minimizes inconvenience for owners, reduces downtime, and allows Tesla to respond swiftly to potential problems.

However, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) classifies all fixes—whether software-based or physical—as "recalls," a legacy term that conjures images of defective parts and major safety hazards. This broad categorization often leads to misleading headlines, suggesting Tesla vehicles are plagued by persistent, severe issues. In reality, OTA recalls are a testament to Tesla’s advanced technology, enabling the company to address concerns proactively and efficiently, often before they escalate into real-world problems. Critics and traditional media, sometimes influenced by competing interests or a lack of understanding, fail to highlight this distinction, framing every recall as a strike against Tesla’s reliability.

The Latest Cybertruck Recall: A Physical Fix​

The March 20, 2025, recall of 46,096 Cybertrucks, covering all 2024 and 2025 models built between November 13, 2023, and February 27, 2025, is a notable exception to the OTA trend. This recall addresses a physical defect: the "cant rail assembly," a stainless steel trim panel along the windshield, can detach due to adhesive failure, posing a road hazard. Tesla will replace the panel free of charge, with notifications mailed to owners by May 19, 2025. While this is a traditional recall requiring service center intervention, it’s worth noting that Tesla identified the issue early—stemming from a complaint in February 2025—and has reported no crashes or injuries tied to it, despite 151 warranty claims potentially related to the defect.

Even here, the scale of the issue is often exaggerated. The NHTSA estimates only about 1% of the recalled vehicles are affected, yet Tesla opted to recall all units as a precaution. This proactive stance reflects a commitment to safety, but the headline “nearly all Cybertrucks recalled” amplifies the perception of a widespread crisis, overshadowing the limited scope of the actual problem.

Misrepresentation and Reputation Damage​

The narrative around Tesla recalls, including this latest one, is frequently weaponized to undermine the company’s reputation. Articles like the one by Matt Ott tie the recall to broader challenges—stock declines (down 42% in 2025), competition from Chinese EV makers, and vandalism linked to Elon Musk’s political role in the Trump administration’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). While these are real pressures, lumping them with a recall that’s routine in the auto industry (Ford had 62 recalls in 2024, GM 33, per X posts) creates a skewed picture of Tesla as a faltering giant. Traditional automakers’ recalls rarely garner the same level of scrutiny, despite often involving more severe mechanical failures.

The viral social media videos of people peeling off Cybertruck panels with their hands further fuel this narrative, suggesting shoddy construction. However, these incidents don’t necessarily reflect the recall’s root cause—adhesive degradation under environmental stress—and may exaggerate the issue’s prevalence. Such optics, combined with sensationalized reporting, obscure Tesla’s strengths, like its ability to innovate and adapt faster than competitors.

A Major Plus for Tesla Owners​

For Tesla owners, OTA updates are a game-changer. They eliminate the hassle of scheduling service appointments, waiting for parts, or dealing with loaner cars—common headaches with traditional recalls. The Cybertruck’s prior recalls, like the inverter fault or stuck accelerator pedal (fixed physically in April 2024), show Tesla’s willingness to tackle both software and hardware issues head-on. Even in this latest case, offering free replacements demonstrates customer-centric service. This flexibility and responsiveness are why Tesla owners often praise the brand, despite the recall headlines.

Conclusion​

Tesla’s recall process, particularly its reliance on OTA updates, is a major advantage misrepresented as a liability. The latest Cybertruck recall, while requiring physical repairs, is a routine safety measure blown out of proportion by its timing amid Tesla’s other challenges. Far from a “blow,” it’s an example of Tesla addressing a potential issue before it becomes a serious risk—something traditional automakers can’t always claim. The real story is Tesla’s technological edge, not a fabricated collapse, and owners reap the benefits daily, even if the headlines don’t reflect it.

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Don't believe the media and Tesla haters!
Interesting explanation although I didn't read quite all of it but I see your point. A Tesla recall shouldn't be taken to mean quite the same thing as other recalls. In fact instead of recall perhaps they should just call it automatic feature updating
 
So if you cannot insure it, the vehicle only has scrap value.
From what I understand you can't even buy a cyber truck in the UK.

 
Until a few months ago, the left LOVED Tesla. How quickly things change. You people must suffer from permanent whiplash. I really think Trump should say he is for open borders and wants MORE waste fraud and abuse in government. Then you'll have to change your position;)
 
The cannibalism on the left is an amazing thing to watch. I was convinced it only happened on the right.
 
I've had more cars than I can count but I can't understand why someone would spend that kind of money for a car to begin with. And take out a car loan on top of that. I care about the environment but I also don't think EV's are ready for primetime, at least for my purposes. I just bought my first used car, on a whim, a few months ago and it only gets 17-18 mpg. I must be a bad liberal.

I agree ... There are only about 1-2 models of Tesla's that I even think look nice, the rest I hate the overall body contours. In some cultures it still seems like more of a status symbol than anything else.

I gave up (mostly) driving older cars a long time ago. Not mechanically inclined, nor inclined to risk me or family standing on the side of the highway in 115° waiting for AAA, so I try to keep cars only to <100k. Bless the hearts of those who know what the heck they are doing and ride those old 250k Corollas until they breath their last, but I can't do it. Unlike Dave Ramsey I've become pretty comfortable with the idea of a lifetime monthly car payment, unless I win the lottery - but cannot really fathom the monthly pmts that come with those $65k trucks a lot of people drive. I guess at least if you lose the house you have your truck!
 
The cannibalism on the left is an amazing thing to watch. I was convinced it only happened on the right.
Lots of back-and-forth in recent years about who has more infighting, Republicans or Democrats.
I think whoever is currently on the losing side , understandably , tends more toward finger pointing and all unpleasantries.

But Trump needs to be careful to show the American people exactly how what he is doing is benefitting them, in order for us to win again in 2028.

We might know, but the average joe voter needs to know for sure.

A little refund checks from Doge savings is definitely not a terrible idea! Not that I'd want to buy votes of course, but I guess it's OK for us to imitate the Democrats every once in a while .. 😉
 

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