Gun laws do they work (1 Viewer)

[19genek49]

Yes, controls work; just not as you think they are supposed to: gun control laws are meant to disarm the law abiding populace and turn them into sheep at the mercy of the lawless and the elites. The elites welcome the criminal use of firearms: a crisis is created that enables the political/social elites to double down on the sheep.

 

[Dick7Access]

Yes, controls work; just not as you think they are supposed to: gun control laws are meant to disarm the law abiding populace and turn them into sheep at the mercy of the lawless and the elites. The elites welcome the criminal use of firearms: a crisis is created that enables the political/social elites to double down on the sheep.

I wish I could remember the name of the actress that was on a campaign to outlaw guns, until it was discovered that her two body guards both carried gun. Her statement was, of course I need protection since I am so famous. It seems to me that the last time a friend of mine was mugged that the criminal forget to ask if he was famous. Anybody out there remember what her name was?

 

[dan-cat]

Yes, controls work; just not as you think they are supposed to: gun control laws are meant to disarm the law abiding populace and turn them into sheep at the mercy of the lawless and the elites. The elites welcome the criminal use of firearms: a crisis is created that enables the political/social elites to double down on the sheep.

Meanwhile in the real world, this is where paranoia actually leads to

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...shoots-kills-son-mistaking-him-151734492.html

 

[spikepl]

Guns, sex, abortion, prevention, death penalty, religion and health care are all areas where the remainder of the civilised world observes the US of A and just wonders.

As to guns and paranoia, Halloween is a dangerous time - anyone recall Yoshihiro Hattori? Google him.

 

[Vassago]

Guns, sex, abortion, prevention, death penalty, religion and health care are all areas where the remainder of the civilised world observes the US of A and just wonders.

As to guns and paranoia, Halloween is a dangerous time - anyone recall Yoshihiro Hattori? Google him.

I'm sure it's not quite common enough to say Halloween is dangerous. That could happen at any time of the year to anyone.

 

[dan-cat]

I'm sure it's not quite common enough to say Halloween is dangerous. That could happen at any time of the year to anyone.

If that was an argument intended to advocate gun ownership it's the strangest one I've heard yet.

 

[RainLover]

Gun Laws work the same way as the Laws of the road.

Good honest people obey them.

 

[Vassago]

If that was an argument intended to advocate gun ownership it's the strangest one I've heard yet.

My statements had nothing to do with gun ownership. My statement was in reference to Halloween being a dangerous time. I don't think it's any more or less dangerous than any other time of the year just because of a situation that happened nearly 20 years ago. My point was that it can happen to anyone at any time. Wrong place wrong time with an overly paranoid gun owner.

 

[dan-cat]

My statements had nothing to do with gun ownership.

I think stating that you can be shot any place anytime says a lot about gun ownership. Don't you think?

 

[Vassago]

I think stating that you can be shot any place anytime says a lot about gun ownership. Don't you think?

I didn't say that it can happen anyplace/anytime in that context. You are misquoting me intentionally. Clearly, I am referring only to someone going to a house with an overly paranoid gun-owner inside.

Why you're trying to make a point on my statement that has to do with gun ownership is beyond me. I never said I had a gun.

 

[Dick7Access]

I didn't say that it can happen anyplace/anytime in that context. You are misquoting me intentionally. Clearly, I am referring only to someone going to a house with an overly paranoid gun-owner inside.

Why you're trying to make a point on my statement that has to do with gun ownership is beyond me. I never said I had a gun.

It is very simple. There are paranoid people in every area of society in every country. I know people that are paranoid about the water they drink. We can’t lump everyone together. We also have to understand that some people have been through some very traumatic experience. I make no apologies for being a gun nut, but if I thought that it would do any good to take peoples guns away I would be for gun control. To site someone killing a criminal or someone killing an innocent person proves nothing, but both sides do it.

 

[dan-cat]

I didn't say that it can happen anyplace/anytime in that context. You are misquoting me intentionally. Clearly, I am referring only to someone going to a house with an overly paranoid gun-owner inside.

Ok, so you agree that your statement explained a lottery that ringing on a doorbell might possibly get you shot? If you can agree to that then we can move on.

Why you're trying to make a point on my statement that has to do with gun ownership is beyond me. I never said I had a gun.

It has to do with your comment being placed under the title of this thread. But I'll clarify.

spikepl says Halloween is a particularly dangerous time. You say no, ringing on a doorbell and getting shot for it could happen to ANYONE at ANYTIME. This to me, whether intentional or not, says a lot about the consequences of widespread gun ownership. You don't know where knocking on a door is going to lead.

On a side-note, I think the individual in the Halloween example should have been tried for murder. It's the way that these "overly paranoid gun owners" are allowed to dismiss their duty to behave as a civilized member of society without consequence that is so incredulous.

How dare he point a lethal weapon at someone who rang his doorbell. People like that don't deserve the privilege of living in a free society.

 

[dan-cat]

To site someone killing a criminal or someone killing an innocent person proves nothing, but both sides do it.

I think you have neatly encapsulated the difference in our point of views. For you, the killing of innocents is a payable price for gun ownership.

 

[Dick7Access]

I think you have neatly encapsulated the difference in our point of views. For you, the killing of innocents is a payable price for gun ownership.

No, not at all. Owing a gun carries responsibility. You kill an innocent person you need to pay the price. My point is that someone killing an innocent person is not reason to take everybody’s guns away, no more than someone killing an innocent person with a car is reason to take everybody’s car away. Of course, I am sure that we would disagree what an innocent person is, but that’s ok, I still think you are probable a pretty good guy.

 

[Brianwarnock]

How often are cars deliberately used to kill somebody?

Each time a gun is pointed at somebody and the trigger squeezed it is a deliberate act.

I don't think your comparison is valid.

Do not accuse me of bias as I own neither a gun nor car.

Brian

 

[Dick7Access]

How often are cars deliberately used to kill somebody?

Each time a gun is pointed at somebody and the trigger squeezed it is a deliberate act.

I don't think your comparison is valid.

How often cars are deliberately used to kill somebody?
Invalid premise! Cars are used often to kill people, intentionally.


Each time a gun is pointed at somebody and the trigger squeezed it is a deliberate act.
Invalid premise! Many times people are killed just by a callous gun owner.

Do not accuse me of bias as I own neither a gun nor car.
I have had at least 20 cars in my life time and maybe as many guns, would not that make me more of an authority?

 

[Vassago]

Ok, so you agree that your statement explained a lottery that ringing on a doorbell might possibly get you shot? If you can agree to that then we can move on.

Of course that is true. To the same level that ringing a doorbell can cause you to be electricuted because of bad wiring. It's happened before and it can happen again. But, it's probably no more likely to happen than winning the lottery.

It has to do with your comment being placed under the title of this thread. But I'll clarify.

spikepl says Halloween is a particularly dangerous time. You say no, ringing on a doorbell and getting shot for it could happen to ANYONE at ANYTIME. This to me, whether intentional or not, says a lot about the consequences of widespread gun ownership. You don't know where knocking on a door is going to lead.

Save as what I said above. When you knock on a strangers door, you really do never know where it will lead. Whether it leads to getting shot, getting punched, getting screamed at, having the door slammed in your face, etc... it's always a gamble. Are you saying that's not true where you live? My point had more to do with the fact that Halloween was not to blame for this.

On a side-note, I think the individual in the Halloween example should have been tried for murder. It's the way that these "overly paranoid gun owners" are allowed to dismiss their duty to behave as a civilized member of society without consequence that is so incredulous.

How dare he point a lethal weapon at someone who rang his doorbell. People like that don't deserve the privilege of living in a free society.

I agree. He should have been charged and convicted based on the evidence we actually hear about. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people out there that shouldn't own a gun that do. There are plenty of people out there that have kids that shouldn't. There are plenty of people that own cars that shouldn't. Does taking them away from everyone solve anything?

 

[Dick7Access]

I agree. He should have been charged and convicted based on the evidence we actually hear about. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people out there that shouldn't own a gun that do. There are plenty of people out there that have kids that shouldn't. There are plenty of people that own cars that shouldn't. Does taking them away from everyone solve anything?[/QUOTE]

Excellent Answer!
Ashamedly there have been times in my life that I have been quilt of all three!!!

 

[Brianwarnock]

Unfortunately, there are plenty of people out there that shouldn't own a gun that do. There are plenty of people out there that have kids that shouldn't. There are plenty of people that own cars that shouldn't. Does taking them away from everyone solve anything?

For item 1 there is no downside no guns no shooting.
For item 3 the upside is less pollution no jams better public transport healthier people etc etc

Item 2 does have the major downside of an ageing population with all that involves without the youngsters to .. Well do all that is required.

Why do people make such odd comparisons?


Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

How often are cars deliberately used to kill somebody?

Each time a gun is pointed at somebody and the trigger squeezed it is a deliberate act.

I don't think your comparison is valid.

How often cars are deliberately used to kill somebody?
Invalid premise! Cars are used often to kill people, intentionally.


Each time a gun is pointed at somebody and the trigger squeezed it is a deliberate act.
Invalid premise! Many times people are killed just by a callous gun owner.

Do not accuse me of bias as I own neither a gun nor car.
I have had at least 20 cars in my life time and maybe as many guns, would not that make me more of an authority?

Couldn't follow this as to which were my statements and which Dick's, and I don't understand what he wants to be an authority on, killing people?

Brian