Gun laws do they work (1 Viewer)

Ken's arguments are absolutely spot on, you need a new approach, why not give all students a gun as they enter high school, give them lessons on how to handle guns and then let everybody go armed. That should do the trick.

Brian
 
Adam Caramon said:
Way to beat down that straw man. You definitely got him.
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Thats twice you used 'strawman' in a thread. I wasn't sure what it meant so I looked it up:

noun
a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted

I'm guessing it makes you feel like an intellectual. Seems a way for you to bail out of a discussion when you can't make an appropriate counter argument and try to turn the focus to something other than the content of the topic, like attacking the other persons style of expressing them self.

How did you put it in the other thread, oh yeah: How disappointing Adam.
 
Brianwarnock said:
Ken's arguments are absolutely spot on, you need a new approach, why not give all students a gun as they enter high school, give them lessons on how to handle guns and then let everybody go armed. That should do the trick.

Brian
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Grasping at straws again Brian? Where did you see me suggesting a new approach (Just so I can try and follow your logic)? Your posts makes it sound like your hairbrained idea is mine :rolleyes:
 
I did not say that you said you needed a new approach, only that your arguments such as the one below had a point, I then said that you need a new approach and suggested one.

Sorry you misunderstood , but as Col is prone to point out English is not your natural language. :D

Brian



KenHigg said:
Lets get event more strict, lets pass a law that makes it illegal to kill another person - that will stop all killing! Yay!!!

Oh wait, we have that and yet killers seem to ignore the law. Maybe if we pass more laws... duh :banghead:
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Brianwarnock said:
I did not say that you said you needed a new approach, only that your arguments such as the one below had a point, I then said that you need a new approach and suggested one.

Sorry you misunderstood , but as Col is prone to point out English is not your natural language. :D

Brian
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Where is Ken from - is he Hispanic? I cant work him out?
 
KenHigg said:
Thats twice you used 'strawman' in a thread. I wasn't sure what it meant so I looked it up:
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I am not surprised. Its a tactic commonly used by people when they don't know how to explain their point of view. Rather than debating what the other person actually said, they rail against their preconceived views of the other side. It makes it where they don't have to stay informed, they can just use stock talking points.

KenHigg said:
Seems a way for you to bail out of a discussion when you can't make an appropriate counter argument and try to turn the focus to something other than the content of the topic, like attacking the other persons style of expressing them self.
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No, it actually a way of pointing out that an "argument" is bunk.
 
Brianwarnock said:
I did not say that you said you needed a new approach, only that your arguments such as the one below had a point, I then said that you need a new approach and suggested one.

Sorry you misunderstood , but as Col is prone to point out English is not your natural language. :D

Brian
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It is early in the morning here, give me time to wake up Brian :p

Interesting to me the way we interpret our cultural differences, however subtle some of them seem to be. For instances I don't think most southerners here in the states keep track of what’s going on in the uk. Whereas it appears you all in the uk do follow the us goings on. Looking back at my life and say my dads, I’m not sure if we had been any more nosey about what you guys are doing that anything would have been any better off... does that make sense?
 
Adam Caramon said:
I am not surprised. Its a tactic commonly used by people when they don't know how to explain their point of view. Rather than debating what the other person actually said, they rail against their preconceived views of the other side. It makes it where they don't have to stay informed, they can just use stock talking points.

No, it actually a way of pointing out that an "argument" is bunk.
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Seems you are the one that can't explain their point clearly - ? Why not just say that you can't make a counter point? An argument is bunk - i'm thinkning you can do better Adam ;)
 
KenHigg said:
It is early in the morning here, give me time to wake up Brian :p

Interesting to me the way we interpret our cultural differences, however subtle some of them seem to be. For instances I don't think most southerners here in the states keep track of what’s going on in the uk. Whereas it appears you all in the uk do follow the us goings on. Looking back at my life and say my dads, I’m not sure if we had been any more nosey about what you guys are doing that anything would have been any better off... does that make sense?
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From US foreign policy we already knew that Ken.
 
Ken

Yes to some extent it does, however it does also show a parochial attitude.
America did follow an isolationist policy for years aslong as other states kept out of its back yard, however surely things have changed with the advent of modern travel and communications?

In your defence I would say that it is more likely that people follow the machinations of the more powerful country, how's your Mandarin coming along.

Brian
 
Brianwarnock said:
Ken

Yes to some extent it does, however it does also show a parochial attitude.
America did follow an isolationist policy for years aslong as other states kept out of its back yard, however surely things have changed with the advent of modern travel and communications?
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Not so much for the ones wanting to live a happy life, piddling in a workshop or garden or enjoying family outings, etc. Instead of wasting time digging around for gossip about what people are doing wrong a million miles from home and getting all upset about it.

If it floats their boat, more power to 'em...

Brianwarnock said:
In your defence I would say that it is more likely that people follow the machinations of the more powerful country, how's your Mandarin coming along.

Brian
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I imagine no better than my counter part knows english ;)
 
KenHigg said:
I imagine no better than my counter part knows english ;)
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Is that an admission to being an uneducated country peasant?

China is too big a country for me to have seen more than a tiny bit in my two visits, but in the cities English seemed to be freely spoken.

Brian
 
Back to serious issues.

Ken why do you say that my idea in post 401 is haibrained. The gun lobby and the gun supported on here say that having a gun increases you security, all I'm suggesting is that everybody should not only have a gun but be educated in gun ownership.

Brian
 
I think you are getting close to the primary diff we have in thinking. Politicians, us or brit, are self serving manipulators. I don't want the bozo's telling me what to do. in 100 years they'll be telling us how to wipe our butt. As much as some like to think it, laws cannot fix everything.

do you really want to waste any more time on the tongue in cheek idea you posted...
 
It might have been tongue in cheek when I started to write it but then I thought , hey nothing else works, how about education.

Brian
 
I'll teach my own grandson gun safety thank you - I've seen what the public education system produces.
 
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