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[KenHigg]

But they don't see themselves as sleazeballs, desire is often overwhelming

So is your imagination

 

[Rich]

while chugging suds...

Would that be soap suds?

 

[KenHigg]

ah hahhahahahahaha

you're so funny...............

 

[Kraj]

But they don't see themselves as sleazeballs, desire is often overwhelming

Again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with one's sexuality.

Believe it or not, I think it's a terrible term fraught with supposition, unclarified linguistic ideas, and just plain misleading all as I pointed out earlier. I guess I'm simply more wont to speak on the level society has dictated than to fight to rise above it. 'My bad.'

Sorry, I wasn't trying to make a dig against you. I was just venting my irritation at the term.

 

[cheuschober]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to make a dig against you. I was just venting my irritation at the term.

No problems. I didn't see it as a dig. If anything I guess I deserve my own slap on the hand for using it. To an extent one could pose that those who are, use the term to rebuff the still psychologically supressed masses -- a sort of turned up nose, childish "we're better than you are" as a way to create separation.

Or, alternately, one could argue that our less-gender-confined heterosexual males (there, how's that for a term?) have, themselves, their own insecurity in how to be seen or accepted. Certainly it's a believable argument. It's the same motivation that (forgive if this offends) many 'Flamers' subconciously possess--in that they seek separation because they seek community so they set up a stereotype and a term to define it, then fulfill the stereotype. This is, essentially, the basis for all 'gender polarization' issues which attempt to assign genders to any action or personality, etc etc. Bem's book on the distorting lenses of culture as it related to the polarization of genders works well within this argument.

In a perfect world there would be no gender at all -- only sex. Male and Female and those who sit inbetween, but no where would there be 'masculine' or 'feminine.' Just people.

~Chad

 

[Rich]

Again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with one's sexuality.

I never said it was, however one might feel less comfortable having to say it to male member of society, or a masculine member, or even more so to one of those who sit somewhere in between.

 

[Kraj]

An anectode that somewhat relates to the topic, but that I think you'll find interesting:

Recently I was at an event where I overheard a conversation between two men. One began telling the other how "flaming" and feminine gays were an embarassment and weren't even real men. He went on in greater detail but I don't remember every comment. I was instantly put off by such a rude, close-minded, and somewhat offensive commentary.

Then I was told who he was: a homosexual, S&M bondage master who takes photos for a bondage magazine semi-professionally. I'm sure he prefers butch men, but you'd think a person with rather unconventional sexual tastes would have learned to be open minded. How's that for a Freudian Rubic's cube, eh?

 

[cheuschober]

An anectode that somewhat relates to the topic, but that I think you'll find interesting:

Recently I was at an event where I overheard a conversation between two men. One began telling the other how "flaming" and feminine gays were an embarassment and weren't even real men. He went on in greater detail but I don't remember every comment. I was instantly put off by such a rude, close-minded, and somewhat offensive commentary.

Then I was told who he was: a homosexual, S&M bondage master who takes photos for a bondage magazine semi-professionally. I'm sure he prefers butch men, but you'd think a person with rather unconventional sexual tastes would have learned to be open minded. How's that for a Freudian Rubic's cube, eh?

Oi. There are so many things wrong with just that situation I could write a couple pages on that. Of course, some REAL therapists could rip that to shreds.

Truly blind but so transparent I would feign to call him a Rubic's cube--that would indicate being 'puzzling' to figure out.

~Chad

 

[Kraj]

I never said it was, however one might feel less comfortable having to say it to male member of society, or a masculine member, or even more so to one of those who sit somewhere in between.

*Ahem*

Too true, I don't care what anybodys sexuality is, as long as their not male and have me in their sights

How about this?: "I don't care what anybodys sexuality is." <-Period.

There is no need for any kind of behavior qualifier.

Truly blind but so transparent I would feign to call him a Rubic's cube.

Fair enough.

 

[Rich]

*Ahem*


How about this?: "I don't care what anybodys sexuality is." <-Period.

Taken out of context and therefore not valid

 

[Kraj]

You completely missed the point. My point is why does your original statement have to have the qualifier, "as long they don't hit on me"?

 

[Rich]

My point is why does your original statement have to have the qualifier, "as long they don't hit on me"?

Because I'm straight, that doesn't make me homophobic by the way

 

[Kraj]

So, because you're straight a gay man is not allowed to hit on you? It's beyond you're ability to deal with? You can't simply say, "No thank you, I'm not interested"?

 

[Groundrush]

Nah, you're just becoming Metrosexual

For some reason I thought the term "Metrosexual" referred to people that like to have sex in underground Tube Stations....

 

[ColinEssex]

Seems it's just bad juju to do grouping and labels at all. Don't we have enough division...

So why do you label me and Rich as "anti American" despite me keep telling you I'm anti the American warmongering don't-care-about-anybody-else government, and not the American populace?
By your reckoning that makes an American who is unhappy with the US government "anti American" - and I thought patriotism was very strong in the US, you know, like people have the US flag on a pole in their garden etc etc.

Col

 

[ColinEssex]

For some reason I thought the term "Metrosexual" referred to people that like to have sex in underground Tube Stations....

Silly question but has anyone in the UK ever heard of the word "metrosexual" before reading it in this thread? I've never heard it before.

Col

 

[Groundrush]

Silly question but has anyone in the UK ever heard of the word "metrosexual" before reading it in this thread? I've never heard it before.

Col

.......I thought questions usually have question marks at the end

anyway just googled "Metrosexual" and look what I found.

metrosexual (met.roh.SEK.shoo.ul) n. An urban male with a strong aesthetic sense who spends a great deal of time and money on his appearance and lifestyle.
—metrosexuality n.


Example Citations:


At dinner the other night, my date listed the calorie count of the main entrees, raising an eyebrow at my chicken Alfredo selection after he had ordered a salad. I saw him check his reflection in the silver water pitcher three times. During dessert, he looked deeply into my eyes and told me he thought what we have together is very special. It was our third date.

It was then that I realized why my dating life has been as mysterious as the Bermuda Triangle since I arrived in Washington. This city, unlike any other place I've lived, is a haven for the metrosexual. A metrosexual, in case you didn't catch any of several newspaper articles about this developing phenomenon (or the recent "South Park" episode on Comedy Central), is a straight man who styles his hair using three different products (and actually calls them "products"), loves clothes and the very act of shopping for them, and describes himself as sensitive and romantic. In other words, he is a man who seems stereotypically gay except when it comes to sexual orientation.
—Alexa Hackbarth, "Vanity, Thy Name Is Metrosexual," The Washington Post, November 17, 2003



The typical metrosexual is a young man with money to spend, living in or within easy reach of a metropolis — because that's where all the best shops, clubs, gyms and hairdressers are. He might be officially gay, straight or bisexual, but this is utterly immaterial because he has clearly taken himself as his own love object and pleasure as his sexual preference. Particular professions, such as modeling, waiting tables, media, pop music and, nowadays, sport, seem to attract them but, truth be told, like male vanity products and herpes, they're pretty much everywhere.
—Mark Simpson, "Meet the metrosexual," Salon.com, July 22, 2002


Notes:
A metrosexual is a clotheshorse wrapped around a dandy fused with a narcissist. Like soccer star David Beckham, who has been known to paint his fingernails, the metrosexual is not afraid to embrace his feminine side. Why "metrosexual"? The metro- (city) prefix indicates this man's purely urban lifestyle, while the -sexual suffix comes from "homosexual," meaning that this man, although he is usually straight, embodies the heightened aesthetic sense often associated with certain types of gay men.

Mark Simpson invented this term in 1994 (see the earliest citation, below), and it drifted slowly from one media source to another throughout the rest of 1990s and early 2000s. Then Simpson wrote another article about metrosexuals in the online magazine Salon.com on July 22, 2002, and the term took off. Since then it has been picked up by thousands of media outlets, has made numerous TV appearances, has spawned at least a couple of books, and has been dropped in untold numbers of cocktail party conversations. There is no escaping the metrosexual.

The second example citation gives Simpson's succinct description of the metrosexual type from his Salon.com article.


Earliest Citation:


The promotion of metrosexuality was left to the men's style press, magazines such as The Face, GQ, Esquire, Arena and FHM, the new media which took off in the Eighties and is still growing (GQ gains 10,000 new readers every month). They filled their magazines with images of narcissistic young men sporting fashionable clothes and accessories. And they persuaded other young men to study them with a mixture of envy and desire.

Some people said unkind things. American GQ, for example, was popularly dubbed ''Gay Quarterly''. Little wonder that all these magazines — with the possible exception of The Face — address their metrosexual readership as if none of them were homosexual or even bisexual.
—Mark Simpson, "Here come the mirror men," The Independent, November 15, 1994


Subject Categories:
Culture - Appearance and Grooming
Sociology - Gay and Lesbian
Sociology - Men and Women
Sociology - People


Posted on September 4, 2002
Last updated on December 12, 2003

 

[Rich]

So, because you're straight a gay man is not allowed to hit on you? It's beyond you're ability to deal with? You can't simply say, "No thank you, I'm not interested"?

I've never said it was beyond my ability to deal with it, I said it would be uncomfortable for me to have to do so

 

[ColinEssex]

.......I thought questions usually have question marks at the end

Meeeeoooow I thought quotes from elsewhere had to have quote marks round them

Col

 

[Rich]

anyway just googled "Metrosexual" and look what I found.

metrosexual (met.roh.SEK.shoo.ul) n. An urban male with a strong aesthetic sense who spends a great deal of time and money on his appearance and lifestyle.
—metrosexuality n.

Ah, you mean kids with too much money in their pockets