NASA Study Indicates Antarctica is Gaining More Ice Than It's Losing - (2 Viewers)

Scientists have captured Earth’s climate over the last 485 million years. Here’s the surprising place we stand now.

This article appears to be behind a paywall on a regular computer. No paywall on my Android phone.
The significance of this article is that it points to the fact that the climate extremists miss, actually avoid, certain themes in an attempt to mislead the public.
  1. What is the correct temperature for Earth?
  2. The viewpoint of the climate extremists is anthropocentric. Yet they attempt to (falsely) sell their viewpoint as saving the Earth. It is not from the viewpoint of allowing natural selection to progress in response to the changes in the environment. The Earth will endure whether man exists people exist or not.
  3. The climate extremists mystically believe that global warming can be "solved" through the application of hocus pocus technology instead of considering the claimed cause, which is human population. If they really wish to "solve" the problem they should be promoting population control. Moreover many of the global warming extremists, don't even bother to change their environmental habits to comply with the environmental requirements they attempt to impose on the general population.

who's right, the people who claim there are too many people on earth or those like Musk who say we should be having more kids?
or does it just depend on the young/old ratio in a given country vs. the support mechanisms?
 
I understand Musk is working very hard to increase the population...
 
In this situation I disagree with Musk. He sees technology as the solution, but technology does not create the problem. Humans create the problem by requiring resources to live.
 
In this situation I disagree with Musk. He sees technology as the solution, but technology does not create the problem. Humans create the problem by requiring resources to live.

Do you think that water reclamation and desalinization is going to become a huge deal over the next few years?
 
Do you think that water reclamation and desalinization is going to become a huge deal over the next few years?
It already is. But think of it this way. Technology can clean the water, but at some point the amount of available water will not be sufficient for the population.Consider the water shortage in California. Also consider the environmental impacts of moving water.
 
Over the past century, we've made extraordinary strides in cleaning up our messes. The Monongahela no longer catches fire. The sky over California isn't always a sickly green. And we need to get better. Unlike climate "change", this is a problem humans can solve.

Musk is an amazing intellect and he sees the natural good of technical solutions. He seems to be on the verge of one that will enable the blind to see. Sadly, he hasn't solved the problem of being able to prevent the use of technology for evil. Electronic money and chips implanted in your body ensure that you always have the correct change;). However, it also allows the government to prevent you from using your own money if they disapprove of your actions. If we allow electronic money, we effectively become slaves.
 
We've come a LOOOONG way on the issue of the environment. The skies over London in the very, very old days used to be a smoky smog so think that in some cases people couldn't see the horse on the carriage in front of them. Things have improved dramatically.

Even the developing countries are solving their pollution problems per capita much faster than developed countries originally did
 
A new variable has entered the scandalous global warming argument, the effect of providing power to be used for artificial intelligence.
The usual discussion is limited to only discussing global warming within the context of so-called greenhouse gases. This "managed" focus ignores that the use of energy, in itself, generates heat as its byproduct. So we have two effects, one is the generation of heat necessary to run an AI data center. Those transistors are hot!!!! Second, will be the generation of heat necessary to run the cooling system to keep the AI center from melting down!!!

The article above makes this very lame statement which only views so-called global warming within the context of "green house gases":
The electricity needed to run A.I. could boost the world’s carbon emissions, depending on whether the data centers get their power from fossil fuels or renewable resources.
The article notes:
A peer-reviewed analysis published Tuesday lays out some early estimates. In a middle-ground scenario, by 2027 new A.I. servers sold that year alone could use between 85 to 134 terawatt hours (Twh) annually. That’s similar to what Argentina, the Netherlands and Sweden each use in a year, and is about 0.5 percent of the world's current electricity use.
The valid issue is not simply "green house gases", but the waste heat generated by 85 to 134 terawatt hours of electricity.
 
The valid issue is not simply "green house gases", but the waste heat generated by 85 to 134 terawatt hours of electricity.

The biggest problem with powering AI is not so much the greenhouse gases produced but the amount of waste heat that is dumped. However, that's not necessarily a problem; it could be mitigated by utilizing the waste heat for heating homes, factories, businesses, and greenhouses. It’s just a matter of approaching the problem sensibly.

Compared to vehicles, only a fraction of the original energy content of crude oil is used for propulsion (roughly 15-25% from extraction to utilization). Around 75-85% of the crude oil's potential energy is wasted through various inefficient processes or lost as environmental pollution.
 
The good thing about the AI need for power is that companies who run AI farms are reviving retired nuclear reactors.
 
Met Office data integrity

UK Met office in cover up? Wouldn't that increase temperatures!

I asked Grok about it:-

Pls give background on this:- Chris Morrison, the Daily Sceptic's Environment Editor, is astonished by the Met Office's attempt to conceal the fact that many of its 'climate stations' still regularly reporting temperatures closed long ago.

Grok said:-
Chris Morrison serves as the Environment Editor for The Daily Sceptic, a publication known for its skepticism towards mainstream scientific narratives, particularly concerning climate change. His recent astonishment centers around the UK Met Office's handling of its climate data, specifically regarding temperature measurements from what are referred to as 'climate stations.'

Morrison has highlighted concerns that the Met Office has been reporting temperature data from stations that have been closed for years. His investigation suggests that the Met Office has not only continued to publish data from these non-existent stations but has also made efforts to cover up this practice. This issue was brought to light with an article published on December 9, 2024, where Morrison detailed how the Met Office had amended its public data presentations in response to scrutiny but did so in a manner that was not publicly announced, essentially attempting to redefine its methods without acknowledging the previous inaccuracies.

The crux of Morrison's critique involves the integrity of the climate data used by the Met Office. He argues that this practice undermines the reliability of climate data used to support claims about global warming or climate change, especially when these figures are used to advocate for policies like Net Zero emissions. Morrison points out that the Met Office's data, which is often cited with precision down to hundredths of a degree, comes from a network where nearly 80% of the stations are considered 'junk' or 'near junk' by international standards due to their siting and potential for inaccurate readings.

This revelation has stirred significant discussion on social media, with posts on X reflecting a public sentiment of distrust towards the Met Office's data integrity and broader implications for climate science. The controversy adds to a growing narrative questioning the trustworthiness of official climate data and the motivations behind its presentation, particularly in the context of political and environmental policy-making.
The situation Morrison describes, and the subsequent reaction on social media, illustrates a broader debate about data transparency, the accuracy of climate monitoring, and the political implications of climate science. This criticism aligns with Morrison's broader editorial stance at The Daily Sceptic, where he often challenges what he perceives as alarmist or manipulated climate science.
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/12/09...-non-existent-temperature-measuring-stations/
https://dailysceptic.org/author/chris-morrison/
 
Wow, amazing but not surprising. They will do anything to push their agenda - anything including apparently reporting non-existent data. Amazing! Good find
 
For a very fun read, look up "Heat Island Effect". Urban areas are normally warmer than non-built up areas. As urbanism increases, weather sensors that used to be in "Rural" areas now end up in "Urban" areas.
 
There is a difference between reporting opinions and facts. Seems to me that if you are reporting the "fact" of a temperature reading at a certain place and a certain time, that is not an opinion. When you KNOWINGLY lie about facts, there really ought to be some penalty. People base their lives on reported facts like this.
 
It's about moving money around to different pockets.

I noticed Greta has moved on from climate, she has a new career as a antisemite.
 
It's not just her image It's what she is now saying "F the Jews" she has squandered any credibility she had in the climate movement. What a dumb ass.
She appeared in numerous photos of anti-Israeli demonstrations. Have not actually heard her speak. Obviously guilt by association. 😀

Based on some climate themed articles I have seen pointing out hypocrisy on her part, her credibility is suspect.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top Bottom