Questions to God.
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'To be an atheist, all you have to do is acknowledge that we don't know. We don't know how everything came to be or what happened in "the begining" or even whether there was a begining at all.'
All she's said is that she doesn't know the scientific processes behind the formation of the universe but is sure that it wasn't created by a god.
It's possible to be sure of what something isn't without knowing exactly what it is. e.g. One can see a flower, know that it isn't a rose, but not know exactly what it is. One can see a house, not know which construction company built it, but be certain that it didn't appear overnight, by magic.
Without getting into the pulpit, what might those 'right' questions be?
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A person who believed in those gods would not be an atheist in my opinion. An atheist IMHO is some one who does not believe in a god/gods or any other supernatural being.
If somewhere in the universe there is a species who are much more advanced than us does not make them supernatural - just more advanced.
So what does a "better" life consist of?
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So why should it be different from many of the other threads then
I know the point you are making.
However, the bottom line is that a being or beings that have abilities beyond us are falling into the gods zone, not necessarily the God zone but god zone. Do allow for the possibility elsewhere in the universe for beings with abilitiities superior to us.
Remember God is a particular god and is defined by being all powerful and all knowing. Not the same for god or gods.
That's for every individual to decide for themselves. But you must truly seek the answer.
There’s way more to this, than the exchange of sun light and oxygen.
Energy is at the core, science tells you this, so it must be true, look for ways to feel the energy.
It exist, go look for it. Your life will change forever.
This is a classic logical error. Yes it is true that many theists believe that god possesses the attribute of greater abilities or intelligence or whatever you want to call it than people do. This is premise A in your argument. I will go along with premise A for the sake of the argument. Premise B is that it is possible that there is/are some being(s) in the universe that may be more intelligent than man. The problem in your argument is your conclusion. From premise A, that god is smarter than people, and premise B, that it is possible that beings smarter than people exist, you cannot logically conclude that god exists.
Let me make an equivalent illogical argument so you can see how silly this is:
A: God has a white beard.
B: There are people that have white beards.
Therefore: God exists.
It simply doesn't follow.
And by supernatural you mean able to defy the laws of physics or nature.
Do you believe the laws of nature/physics apply equally to the whole universe.
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Or vice versa! Seratonin!
I've tried to avoid using a capital 'G' so as to indicate I was making the distinction. Sorry if I slipped up here and there.
Abilities superior to us still doesn't mean we'd think of them as gods. If there's some being somewhere out there who can lift 50 tons over his head, or change water to wine, or whatever, that's way beyond anything we can achieve but I would still look for the scientific explanation for his 'powers', rather than saying he was a god. Accepting him as a god would, to me, mean accepting without question that his abilities were magical. Since I can't believe that magic exists, I can't believe in gods.
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What if there are other dimensions - multiverses and the like?... and they can somehow reach through into ours and ... Dam! I knew I shouldn't have accepted Tim's invitation to be friends
I don't say definitley, rather I say it opens the possibilities. When you say "god" with lower case are you referring to God.
So, how do you reconcile this statement
and this one
with this one you made, when I asked you what the right question is?
If one of us asks a question, who are you to say that it was 'not really any good' and so the wrong one to ask?
Ok, I will restate:
From premise A and premise B, you can not draw any logical conclusion at all. You have repeatedly used the two premises to support the conclusion that it is possible that god exists. This is logically incorrect.
Are you going to ask me to capitalize the tooth fairy too?
To me? Yes. Defy, bend, control, call it what you will.
I can't think of any examples of a god - be it Roman, Greek, Christian, Muslim, or whatever - where the being in question isn't supposed to have done at least one thing that is impossible for humans (or any known being) to do.
This ability must also be internalised and natural to them. I don't count the use of technology in this, clearly I could lift 50 tons if I had the right training and machinery. Nor do I count hidden machinery i.e. if some culture out there were advanced enough to lift that amount using some device I couldn't see.
Well, the standard definition of god is that he created everything. Since it is not within the laws of physics to create something out of nothing, then yes, by the standard definition of god, he must be able to defy the laws of physics.
You're supposition is that the physical is the source, but we have proved that energy, not matter (therefore not chemistry) is at the core. As Einstein approached this epoch he understood that the only real answer is spiritual, not physical.
For billions of years electromagnetic waves traversed the universe; it is only in the last 200 years or so that we began to harness them. To deny the existence of more complicated energy fields or even an ultimate one, is short sighted. Truly the faith and fundamentalism of the non believers is something to be respectful of..
We tend to find what we’re looking for. The observation transforms the observed.
