Questions to God.

[Thales750]

Well, the standard definition of god is that he created everything. Since it is not within the laws of physics to create something out of nothing, then yes, by the standard definition of god, he must be able to defy the laws of physics.

You might find the study of physics interesting. Here’s a question for you concerning the laws of physics.

How is the universe larger than it could possibly be, if it followed the most important law?

As matter approaches the speed of light; its mass become infinite.

 

[Alisa]

You might find the study of physics interesting. Here’s a question for you concerning the laws of physics.

How is the universe larger than it could possibly be, if it followed the most important law?

As matter approaches the speed of light; its mass become infinite.

I do in fact find the study of physics interesting. However, the willingness to study physics implies a willingness to consider the possibility that there is a physical explanation of the origin of everything. If there is a physical explanation, that means we don't need the concept of god to explain it. Whether or not we humans with our piddly brains are ever able to figure out or comprehend that explanation is irrelevant.

 

[Mike375]

Ok, I will restate:
From premise A and premise B, you can not draw any logical conclusion at all. You have repeatedly used the two premises to support the conclusion that it is possible that god exists. This is logically incorrect.

Are you going to ask me to capitalize the tooth fairy too?

When you use "god" I don't know which god you are referring to. Capitalising the G is nothing to do with respect.

For example, I could say "John Smith is the bible of Access" which of course means he is a wealth of information. The Bible is the specific book.

God is a god, one of many.

 

[Mike375]

To me? Yes. Defy, bend, control, call it what you will.

I can't think of any examples of a god - be it Roman, Greek, Christian, Muslim, or whatever - where the being in question isn't supposed to have done at least one thing that is impossible for humans (or any known being) to do.

This ability must also be internalised and natural to them. I don't count the use of technology in this, clearly I could lift 50 tons if I had the right training and machinery. Nor do I count hidden machinery i.e. if some culture out there were advanced enough to lift that amount using some device I couldn't see.

Where we differ is I think a being or beings could be of such an advanced nature they could defy the laws of nature or at least some of the laws of nature. With the trillions of stars etc and etc I find it very difficult to believe that there is no being advanced enough to defy a few natural laws.

 

[Thales750]

I do in fact find the study of physics interesting. However, the willingness to study physics implies a willingness to consider the possibility that there is a physical explanation of the origin of everything. If there is a physical explanation, that means we don't need the concept of god to explain it. Whether or not we humans with our piddly brains are ever able to figure out or comprehend that explanation is irrelevant.

But what if the possibility existed to participate in a more harmonious journey with the core power of the universe, would you indeed elect to refuse it?

 

[Mike375]

Well, the standard definition of god is that he created everything. Since it is not within the laws of physics to create something out of nothing, then yes, by the standard definition of god, he must be able to defy the laws of physics.

By "god" I assume you are referring to the Bible God. However, that is only one god and most gods are not credited with being the all powerful and knowing.

 

[Thales750]

Ya'll have fun.

 

[Alisa]

But what if the possibility existed to participate in a more harmonious journey with the core power of the universe, would you indeed elect to refuse it?

What if WHAT possibility existed?

 

[Rabbie]

And by supernatural you mean able to defy the laws of physics or nature.

Yes

Do you believe the laws of nature/physics apply equally to the whole universe.

I believe there are fundamental laws of Physics that apply to the whole universe. Of course this is currently unable to be verified directly but we learn more each day.

 

[Alisa]

When you use "god" I don't know which god you are referring to. Capitalising the G is nothing to do with respect.

For example, I could say "John Smith is the bible of Access" which of course means he is a wealth of information. The Bible is the specific book.

God is a god, one of many.

It doesn't matter which one - look at any holy scripture of any major religion. They all say the same thing - that god created everything.

 

[Mike375]

It doesn't matter which one - look at any holy scripture of any major religion. They all say the same thing - that god created everything.

Check the ancient Greek gods and others. And then you have the various gods sed by primitive people, crocodile god etc and etc.

 

[Alisa]

Check the ancient Greek gods and others. And then you have the various gods sed by primitive people, crocodile god etc and etc.

Maybe I should be more specific: major world religions = Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.
Ancient greek religions that nobody has practiced for hundreds of years do not constitute a major world religion.

 

[Mike375]

Maybe I should be more specific: major world religions = Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.
Ancient greek religions that nobody has practiced for hundreds of years do not constitute a major world religion.

So is you atheism only denial of the gods referred to in the major religions.

 

[Thales750]

What if WHAT possibility existed?

Go find out.

 

[Alisa]

Go find out.

I thought that is where you went?

 

[Alisa]

So is you atheism only denial of the gods referred to in the major religions.

Technically, atheism is the absence of belief in ANY deity.

I personally see no reason to believe that anything supernatural exists or has ever existed, however, I am not going to say that all atheists agree with that statement.

If you want to talk about other deities in other minor religions that nobody practices anymore, or if you want to talk about all other manner of religous entities such as saints, martyrs, miracle workers etc., you should refer to them as such. You can safely assume that I am referring to god in the sense that he is defined in the world's major religions.

 

[Thales750]

I thought that is where you went?

You're pretty funny,

I will leave you with this; I have to get back to work.the tax payers of the US keep me in burgers, so ...

Just for a little exercise, try looking at coincidences as something more, and see what happens.

Chance happenings, gives you an opportunity to explore possibilities, so when you encounter someone, ask yourself why this person, why now. What questions can they answer for me?

See what happens.

 

[Alc]

You're pretty funny,

Just for a little exercise, try looking at coincidences as something more, and see what happens.

Chance happenings, gives you an opportunity to explore possibilities, so when you encounter someone, ask yourself why this person, why now. What questions can they answer for me?

See what happens.

Thales750, this is TimBrewer.
Tim, this is Thales750.

You should get on like a house on fire.

 

[Alisa]

Thales750, this is TimBrewer.
Tim, this is Thales750.

You should get on like a house on fire.

It could be just a coincidence to have TWO of them posting here at the same time, or is it something more . . .

 

[Mike375]

I think I will head to bed as it is 3.15am Saturday down here