It's not money they have issues with, it's the greed, etc. that comes with it. They'll do carpentry work, bake pies, etc. for you and take your money just like anyone else. But do you think ambulances, medevac helicopters, doctors, nurses, and hospitals simply donate their services in these instances?Matt Greatorex said:
Why not?Bodisathva said:
...and great swing-sets for the kiddiesjsanders said:
Granted, $4 million is more than enough to rebuild the simple one-room schoolhouse. Unfortunately, while three of the girls are back in school, one remains in critical condition, the other is in a coma. The parents and families use simple horse-and-buggy transportation, so they have to be transported by other means so they don't spend days on the road en route to the hospital. While everyone is at the hospital, who works the farm? (or makes the cabinets, or quilts, or bakes the pies) Their self-reliance means they don't need a lot of money to survive, but these circumstances not only remove all of the family income in most cases, but create a mountain of debt that they would be unable to overcome even in the best of circumstances without help.ColinEssex said:
Bod, I don't follow that. . . . .one girl still in hospital (sad but thats the way it is), why should the family income be lost and what is this mountain of debt?Bodisathva said:
The Amish families (and community) are extremely close, they spend great amounts of time with the girl in the hospital (and the other children as well) not only just to be there, but because of their faith, prayer is a large part of it as well. In order to get there in less than a day or so by buggy, they have to get alternative transportation, which if not donated, requires money. They aren't going to drive a motorized vehicle, but they will ride in one. While they are not on the family farm, it isn't being worked, therefore the normal subsistance they would get from the farm is negated. Also, the normal amount of money they make through their carpentry, etc. is also negated. The fact that the child is still in the hospital means the bills there are also building. Let's also remember that the family members are also not "pulling their own weight" as they would normally do because they are devoting their time to the kids (no vacation time or health insurance down on the farmColinEssex said:
). Without concrete numbers, you can still see that even without the hospital bills, they are going in the hole financially because they aren't producing their normal subsistance rates. Now add to that the additional debt, you can go under a lot quicker than most people realize.
Insurance?ColinEssex said:
Insurance costs money. To the best of my knowledge, you'll not find any Amish with Insurance of any kind.
Probably a good thing they didn't ask for help or outside interference nor complained about the position they are in then, huh?ColinEssex said:
You are far more concerned about it than they are...I'll lay 50:1 odds they don't have nearly the blood pressure and anxiety probs you and Rich haveColinEssex said:
More fool them then if they go broke. Still, they won't now with $4m in the bank.Bodisathva said:Insurance?
I had my BP done a few weeks ago and its 120/80I'll lay 50:1 odds they don't have nearly the blood pressure and anxiety probs you and Rich have
Matt Greatorex said:
Bodisathva said:
I see minimising the use of money as being equivalent to avoiding greed. Also, 'minimise' - when applied to money - also implies 'no luxuries'. I realise you could still be greedy for food, clothing, or whatever, but the discussion was about money, so that's what I meant.Matt Greatorex said:
Bodisathva said:
Which attitude is that then Brian, the one that attacks America for failing miserably to protect its children. How odd that you have a problem with that?Brianwarnock said:
I'll confirm that for youColinEssex said:
I do have health insurance, in fact I work for a health insurance company, and the difference between the insurance company contracted rates and the off-the-street rates is usually 2:1.
The ambulance company technically can do that, but usually won't because of public sentiment. It's actually illegal for hospital workers to deny treatment...you'll have to sacrifice an arm, leg, and your firstborn to pay for your treatment, thoughColinEssex said:
my fault...it was meant as a continuation of the thought, not a contradictionMatt Greatorex said:Once again, sorry if that was too ambiguous.
How odd you can't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell youRich said:
Bodisathva said:
just as odd as one or two not understanding what I'm saying. They just jump on anything said to further their viewpointBodisathva said:How odd you can't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you
