The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities

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The truth's simple my friend, it's a load of bollox:eek:

I felt the same way you did before I had my out of body experience, but after analyzing the topic more closely, I am willing to eat fruit cake.

Thank you,
Tim
 
To whom it may concern,

Re:The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibility
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"I understand. I even took the time to understand because I wanted to. It is certainly in my best interest to understand because if I find myself dead and still thinking I want to know what my options are."
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Thank you Tim, i liked it. Really cheered me up today.

You know I had been very ill the year before and DEath has always been my greatest Fear, not because of the pain of going through it, but because i dont know whats on the other side waiting for me after i die, its hard to accept what Catholic says about it: one dies and sleeps endlessly until Judgement Day. And i dont want to die before i find out whats on the other side knowing the world we live is just an illusory. And i dont want someone else to die and not know what may happen to his spirit. And yes, this may sound crazy, but im one who is also about to try almost anything just to get to the side, life is short, time is pressing... time is running...

and no, it doesnt hurt to have a back up plan :)

goodluck Tim!
your site looks so cool


Thank you,
Tim
 
There is nothing wrong with having your own little comfort zone.

Thank you,
Tim

Or your own little Twilight Zone.

Respectfully Submitted,
Tim
 
I think Rich summed it up quite well in his own eloquent style

Rich said:
The truth's simple my friend, it's a load of bollox

You need to get out more TimmyBabe - I'll bet the evenings just fly by in your house:rolleyes:

My questions you ignored are under my posts. You are American so as predicted, it's no surprise you ignored them.

Col
 
its ok , he's a harmless fruit loop - does not promote any type danger to himself or others
compare to others that kinda makes him sane .


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Thank you Tim, i liked it. Really cheered me up today.

You know I had been very ill the year before and DEath has always been my greatest Fear, not because of the pain of going through it, but because i dont know whats on the other side waiting for me after i die, its hard to accept what Catholic says about it: one dies and sleeps endlessly until Judgement Day. And i dont want to die before i find out whats on the other side knowing the world we live is just an illusory. And i dont want someone else to die and not know what may happen to his spirit. And yes, this may sound crazy, but im one who is also about to try almost anything just to get to the side, life is short, time is pressing... time is running...

copy the text from a post - whoa.... Thats not a Catholic/Christian view- that view has been redundant for many years -
Catholic/Christian view - you die - you go to heaven or hell (catholic) - Cof E you die you go to heaven or nothing

However there is room here for reincarnation - which has not been excluded by the Bible nor denoced (typo) by the Churches...

Death should not be feared it is a natural process - ok none of us want to speed this up , but as long as its painless - embrace it as part of nature


I think that the post you got that I have quoted - was from someone who is /was depressed and brought up with an old view of the Catholic/Christian church

I deviate fromt he subject ...g
 
And i dont want to die before i find out whats on the other side knowing the world we live is just an illusory.
Gary - the truth is that no-one knows for sure what happens after death, no matter what people say. There are many speculations based on various religions, some people have faith in what they believe is actually true.

But, think about it, no-one knows for absolute sure what happens when we die. If there is a religion - how do you know which one is the right one? Hindu? Muslim? Christianity? etc. the choice is immense.

Bit of a sod to find that Hindu was the correct one when you may be a christian all your life.

People who believe in a theory, whether scientific or spiritual will always be passionate about it - they can convince people black is white if necessary, they are smooth talkers, use long words etc., thats how evangelists make multi-million dollar fortunes in the USA, Americans are so gullible, comparitively thats why evangelists have a rough time in the UK - we are so sceptical and mistrusting, especially of American 'preachers'.

It boils down to

1) choosing a faith if you need some spiritual or scientific reassurance - then you hope that you've chosen the right one

2) you choose nothing, live your life as best you morally can and see what happens when you die

End of

Col
 
Tell me about it -
and i agree with your comments

regards
 
Tell me about it -
and i agree with your comments

regards

Maybe if old Timbo could put his thought in plain English we'd have a better chance of knowing what the hell he's on about

Col
 
Maybe if old Timbo could put his thought in plain English we'd have a better chance of knowing what the hell he's on about

Col

Old Timbo has been working on that and is getting closer everyday, but everything worth anything takes it's allotted amount of time.

Nobody told me that my thoughts would be so important later in life, or I would of paid more attention in English class.

Thank you,
Tim
 
To whom it may concern,
From Transformer,
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/3528/P260/
As someone who has just read through this thread from start to finish in one sitting, I must say:
My understanding of your theory thus far:- You have had a left brain SOBE.
- You want to prove that the possibility of having a left brain SOBE means that human thought can exist outside the human body.
- This includes that human consciousness or thought can exist post-death.
- You believe that the Brain Gate machine offers a new potential way to test this.
- You have also developed a simpler method to test this which relies on a touch sensor, and a light.
- Based on your personal experience, you have come up with needed additional equipment to bypass what you see as obstacles (not being able to hear, not being able to read things which aren’t large and easy to read).
- You have posted your theory in the same manner as you have here in multiple forums.
- You believe that for someone to successfully communicate with the physical world we all know when they are not in their body, they need to believe in the possibility, and train to do it, during their physical life.
- You are not easily deterred from your goal, truly believe in your idea, and believe that if it can be proven in a mathematical theory, the results will benefit all of mankind.
Your communication skills are good in the sense that you can write coherently and eloquently, however you seem to be having problems putting your thoughts into a format that others can understand.This is something that I deal with every day working in the training field. Preparing training materials is essentially finding a way to tell someone how to do something, however the key to doing it successfully is to do it in a way that your target audience can understand and identify with. I have worked with many extremely intelligent and knowledgeable professionals who exhibit the same issue that I see with you; you understand your theory and what you are trying to prove, but fail to translate it into terms and concepts that can be clearly understood by all. You tend to over-elaborate details and advanced concepts related to your theory, when the basic concepts remain to be understood by the audience.
In simple terms, you are failing to “dumb down” the information you are presenting, so that people can understand your basic concepts and ideas before you go onto discussing the advanced, or still uncertain parts of your idea. If my synopsis above is a good basic definition of what you have been trying to communicate all along, please feel free to use it moving forward. You should also consider how your explanations and posts compare to the synopsis I have provided and see if you can envision a way to “translate” you thoughts into similar statements moving forward.
1) Present your overall hypothesis. Keep it simple and easy to understand. Present it in terms familiar to those who you want to inform.
Example: Your title for the thread has a “fantastic” feel to it and leads to disbelief from the start. “Proving that human consciousness can exist outside the body” would be much simpler and to the point, and people would understand what you want to get across right from the start. This sets the tone for you to then explain in detail what you believe and how you wish to prove it. I understand that for you, this started with an SOBE, but your theory goes beyond that and the SOBE was simply a “eye opening experience”.
2) Present your goal. Right from the start, let people know what exactly you want to prove.
3) Present the “tools” you will use to test your theory. Explain what each tool will do, and why clearly and concisely.
4) Explain what led you to come up with your hypothesis. A personal experience is a fine way of coming up with a theory or idea (think Newton and the apple, even if it didn’t really happen great ideas really do start in similar ways) but it shouldn’t be the primary focus of your entire communication.
5) Present any open questions you have, or alternate possibilities you may have thought of. Once you have done the first four things, people will be ready to receive this information in the right context. This would include eventual results you might expect as a result of proving your goal.
6) Present what you need to continue testing and working on your theory. If you are requesting assistance, detail what that entails. One of your posts mentioned great cost associated, this may scare people off. I now have the impression that anyone can help you test your theory at a basic level using a touch sensor, a light or buzzer and a large-screen TV, along with a clear understanding of what your methodology for testing is. This simple setup is definitely something people may be interested in testing, mention the Brain Gate as another “optimal” test you can see, but don’t focus so much on it as it is clearly a lofty goal.Again, this is just a suggestion, but hopefully you will see the value. I think you have some interesting ideas and they just need to be presented in a different manner to get a different reaction. You still won’t get everybody on your side, but you’ll more likely get some curious and interested parties.
Please don’t get me wrong Tim, I’m not saying you’re a genius (although you could very well be) and I’m not saying you’re completely blinded and wrong. What I am saying is that you are indeed failing to accept some very real possibilities when it comes to your theory.
Basic fact is that as others have stated, it is COMPLETELY POSSIBLE that your SOBE experience was more of a dream-like state. People CAN be influenced while dreaming, this is proven. People CAN think they are awake while dreaming, this is also proven. The truth is that despite your belief that you had a true and pure SOBE, it is entirely possible that you didn’t and were dreaming. You are convinced that it was an SOBE, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it was beyond the shadow of a doubt.
It was not a dream, it was reality.
That said, there is nothing wrong with you truly believing that this was an SOBE, and the theory that you have come up with as a result of it could very well prove true. As long as you insist that is absolutely was an SOBE beyond the shadow of a doubt and that “nobody can understand”, however you will fail to interest anyone who doesn’t already believe in SOBEs. If you can’t interest these people, then you will never be able to prove your theory for a theory proven only by people who already believed it to be true, will hold very little value to the scientific community. It will also prevent you from enlisting the help of people who could help you to prove (or disprove) your theory in the long run.
It could, if it was treated like a customer service issue.
Example: If one person gets sick eating at a restaurant, nobody really takes the time to care, and it is considered an isolated situation, maybe they were already sick from something else, but if more than one gets sick at the same time, at the same restaurant, it is considered an epidemic, and action should take place to fix the problem. We are dealing with thousand of people who have had the same experience as I, so that would make it a epidemic. We all do not need to get sick to know that there is a problem.
This is what happened and I am pretty sure it’s exactly what happened and it was real, BUT I can’t be 100% certain until it is proven.”
Now take this theory that you have which resulted from an experience while you are still alive, and expand it to that it can happen post-death.
I would say first prove an SOBE can happen when someone is alive, focus on this as it is the heart of your theory and your personal experience. Once this is proven, then you can make the next step and say that if someone can exist outside their body, they can potentially exist as energy once they die in the same way. .
You’ve covered a lot of bases (testing different sensors, etc.) but you just need to present it properly, and define an order to your theory.
Presenting it as one big jumble of misaligned pieces just isn’t going to cut it if you truly want to see this worked on, or looked at by anyone who doesn’t already believe in SOBE thus isn’t already biased.
Also, please read what people write carefully. It is painful to see you misinterpret sarcasm and people poking fun at you as people trying to help you. Perhaps their sarcasm and poking is indeed helping you to further develop your theory on your own, but it is important to realize whether it was their intention or not. Otherwise you will find yourself wasting a lot of energy writing to them.
All right, that’s it. Hopefully this will help you to present your theory moving forward in a way people will be more willing to accept. I personally think your experiments sound interesting and would like to see them actually happen so that we can see what the results are.
If you want to be taken seriously, you need to work within the scientific methodology and ensure that you do not set the results before the experiment takes place. You also need to take each step of your theory one at a time and prove it individually.
Thank you Transformer,
from Tim
 
To whom it may concern,
From Transformer,
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/3528/P260/
As someone who has just read through this thread from start to finish in one sitting, I must say:
My understanding of your theory thus far:- You have had a left brain SOBE.
- You want to prove that the possibility of having a left brain SOBE means that human thought can exist outside the human body.
- This includes that human consciousness or thought can exist post-death.
- You believe that the Brain Gate machine offers a new potential way to test this.
- You have also developed a simpler method to test this which relies on a touch sensor, and a light.
- Based on your personal experience, you have come up with needed additional equipment to bypass what you see as obstacles (not being able to hear, not being able to read things which aren’t large and easy to read).
- You have posted your theory in the same manner as you have here in multiple forums.
- You believe that for someone to successfully communicate with the physical world we all know when they are not in their body, they need to believe in the possibility, and train to do it, during their physical life.
- You are not easily deterred from your goal, truly believe in your idea, and believe that if it can be proven in a mathematical theory, the results will benefit all of mankind.
Your communication skills are good in the sense that you can write coherently and eloquently, however you seem to be having problems putting your thoughts into a format that others can understand.This is something that I deal with every day working in the training field. Preparing training materials is essentially finding a way to tell someone how to do something, however the key to doing it successfully is to do it in a way that your target audience can understand and identify with. I have worked with many extremely intelligent and knowledgeable professionals who exhibit the same issue that I see with you; you understand your theory and what you are trying to prove, but fail to translate it into terms and concepts that can be clearly understood by all. You tend to over-elaborate details and advanced concepts related to your theory, when the basic concepts remain to be understood by the audience.
In simple terms, you are failing to “dumb down” the information you are presenting, so that people can understand your basic concepts and ideas before you go onto discussing the advanced, or still uncertain parts of your idea. If my synopsis above is a good basic definition of what you have been trying to communicate all along, please feel free to use it moving forward. You should also consider how your explanations and posts compare to the synopsis I have provided and see if you can envision a way to “translate” you thoughts into similar statements moving forward.
1) Present your overall hypothesis. Keep it simple and easy to understand. Present it in terms familiar to those who you want to inform.
Example: Your title for the thread has a “fantastic” feel to it and leads to disbelief from the start. “Proving that human consciousness can exist outside the body” would be much simpler and to the point, and people would understand what you want to get across right from the start. This sets the tone for you to then explain in detail what you believe and how you wish to prove it. I understand that for you, this started with an SOBE, but your theory goes beyond that and the SOBE was simply a “eye opening experience”.
2) Present your goal. Right from the start, let people know what exactly you want to prove.
3) Present the “tools” you will use to test your theory. Explain what each tool will do, and why clearly and concisely.
4) Explain what led you to come up with your hypothesis. A personal experience is a fine way of coming up with a theory or idea (think Newton and the apple, even if it didn’t really happen great ideas really do start in similar ways) but it shouldn’t be the primary focus of your entire communication.
5) Present any open questions you have, or alternate possibilities you may have thought of. Once you have done the first four things, people will be ready to receive this information in the right context. This would include eventual results you might expect as a result of proving your goal.
6) Present what you need to continue testing and working on your theory. If you are requesting assistance, detail what that entails. One of your posts mentioned great cost associated, this may scare people off. I now have the impression that anyone can help you test your theory at a basic level using a touch sensor, a light or buzzer and a large-screen TV, along with a clear understanding of what your methodology for testing is. This simple setup is definitely something people may be interested in testing, mention the Brain Gate as another “optimal” test you can see, but don’t focus so much on it as it is clearly a lofty goal.Again, this is just a suggestion, but hopefully you will see the value. I think you have some interesting ideas and they just need to be presented in a different manner to get a different reaction. You still won’t get everybody on your side, but you’ll more likely get some curious and interested parties.
Please don’t get me wrong Tim, I’m not saying you’re a genius (although you could very well be) and I’m not saying you’re completely blinded and wrong. What I am saying is that you are indeed failing to accept some very real possibilities when it comes to your theory.
Basic fact is that as others have stated, it is COMPLETELY POSSIBLE that your SOBE experience was more of a dream-like state. People CAN be influenced while dreaming, this is proven. People CAN think they are awake while dreaming, this is also proven. The truth is that despite your belief that you had a true and pure SOBE, it is entirely possible that you didn’t and were dreaming. You are convinced that it was an SOBE, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it was beyond the shadow of a doubt.
It was not a dream, it was reality.
That said, there is nothing wrong with you truly believing that this was an SOBE, and the theory that you have come up with as a result of it could very well prove true. As long as you insist that is absolutely was an SOBE beyond the shadow of a doubt and that “nobody can understand”, however you will fail to interest anyone who doesn’t already believe in SOBEs. If you can’t interest these people, then you will never be able to prove your theory for a theory proven only by people who already believed it to be true, will hold very little value to the scientific community. It will also prevent you from enlisting the help of people who could help you to prove (or disprove) your theory in the long run.
It could, if it was treated like a customer service issue.
Example: If one person gets sick eating at a restaurant, nobody really takes the time to care, and it is considered an isolated situation, maybe they were already sick from something else, but if more than one gets sick at the same time, at the same restaurant, it is considered an epidemic, and action should take place to fix the problem. We are dealing with thousand of people who have had the same experience as I, so that would make it a epidemic. We all do not need to get sick to know that there is a problem.
This is what happened and I am pretty sure it’s exactly what happened and it was real, BUT I can’t be 100% certain until it is proven.”
Now take this theory that you have which resulted from an experience while you are still alive, and expand it to that it can happen post-death.
I would say first prove an SOBE can happen when someone is alive, focus on this as it is the heart of your theory and your personal experience. Once this is proven, then you can make the next step and say that if someone can exist outside their body, they can potentially exist as energy once they die in the same way. .
You’ve covered a lot of bases (testing different sensors, etc.) but you just need to present it properly, and define an order to your theory.
Presenting it as one big jumble of misaligned pieces just isn’t going to cut it if you truly want to see this worked on, or looked at by anyone who doesn’t already believe in SOBE thus isn’t already biased.
Also, please read what people write carefully. It is painful to see you misinterpret sarcasm and people poking fun at you as people trying to help you. Perhaps their sarcasm and poking is indeed helping you to further develop your theory on your own, but it is important to realize whether it was their intention or not. Otherwise you will find yourself wasting a lot of energy writing to them.
All right, that’s it. Hopefully this will help you to present your theory moving forward in a way people will be more willing to accept. I personally think your experiments sound interesting and would like to see them actually happen so that we can see what the results are.
If you want to be taken seriously, you need to work within the scientific methodology and ensure that you do not set the results before the experiment takes place. You also need to take each step of your theory one at a time and prove it individually.
Thank you Transformer,
from Tim

Good job Transformer, trying to explain it back then, but now there is more!!!!!

Would you like to hear about it?
 
Oh please - this thread was dead for a year and a half and you have to go resurrect it? Can't you just go away and play somewhere else?
 
Oh please - this thread was dead for a year and a half and you have to go resurrect it? Can't you just go away and play somewhere else?

That's one way to look at it, but it would be the wrong way, unless you have figured out a way, to prove me wrong.

Did you do that?

I gave you plenty of time, don't you think?

Now, I on the other hand, sure do have a lot more to add, and since it is my topic. seams like a good place to do that.

For those out there who feel they know it all, please fill free to inform me, why my idea will not work.

If by chance, you are so focus on this positive possibility, to the point that you are so burn out, that you can take it any more, then please fill free not to view this topic.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of yours.

Tim Brewer
 
Tim,

In about 5 lines of your own words, what is this about and what will it do for me.
 
Tim,

In about 5 lines of your own words, what is this about and what will it do for me.

A free way to communicate, from an out of body afterlife situation. Just in case your afterlife option don't work.
 
Tim:
Have you noticed the number of times you have responded to your own posts?

If you wish to talk to yourself, you can do it in front of a mirror. No need to involve the rest of us.
 
Tim,

"A free way to communicate"

Well, the Net is almost free.

But you do have to exchange some "meaningful" ideas. Mikey didn't ask for too much.

Respectfully,
Wayne
 
Tim,

Also, Mike has been doing some very good work here lately.

Don't sidetrack him unless it's VERY IMPORTANT.

Bob, Sorry about the large font ... knew you'd understand.

Wayne
 
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