Are you an atheist?

[Alisa]

Do we really care?

If some believe in a fairy tale about a god type person - so what?

If others think it's all bo**ocks - so what?

Yes we care! Disclaimer: what I am about to say is not meant to personally insult anyone on this forum. End Disclaimer
Religion is the root of all evil. Without religion, we would have no wars. I believe it has already been said on this forum, but I will say it again. With or without religion, good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things. But it takes religion to make good people do bad things.

 

[Mike375]

Then what exactly is your definition of supernatural?
I guess I should have asked that question a long time ago, it might of saved some pages on this forum.

Actually you were asked earlier in the thread.

A supernatural is someone/something that is above us and with the ability to do things for which we have no explanation.

 

[dan-cat]

Again, I am supposed to prove the negative? There is no evidence anywhere that shows that natural eventually progresses to supernatural given enough time. In fact, there is no evidence that the supernatural exists. Period. The only evidence we have is that humans are too ignorant to explain everything in the universe, or the origin of the universe. That is not evidence that can be used to support the existence of the supernatural.

We as humans create/design. Our designs are poor copies of nature. We base our designs on all phenomena. Yet we refuse to entertain the possibility that what we base our designs on are designs themselves instead they are just based on chance. Why? Because of lack of evidence that we assume we should be able to currently perceive.

 

[Alisa]

instead they are just based on chance

Who said anything about chance?

 

[Alisa]

A supernatural is someone/something that is above us and with the ability to do things for which we have no explanation.

Hence, by definition, if we have an explanation, it is not supernatural. Which brings me back to my original question:

What is it that science claims to be able to explain, that is actually supernatural?

 

[dan-cat]

Yes we care! Disclaimer: what I am about to say is not meant to personally insult anyone on this forum. End Disclaimer
Religion is the root of all evil. Without religion, we would have no wars. I believe it has already been said on this forum, but I will say it again. With or without religion, good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things. But it takes religion to make good people do bad things.

I think you may be blurring the line between organized religion and spirituality.

 

[Rich]

But it takes religion to make good people do bad things.

Including an all powerful god that allowed his son to be killed as a lesson in obedience

 

[dan-cat]

Who said anything about chance?

You believe that the creation of all phenomena was contrived?

 

[ColinEssex]

Yes we care! Disclaimer: what I am about to say is not meant to personally insult anyone on this forum. End Disclaimer
Religion is the root of all evil. Without religion, we would have no wars. I believe it has already been said on this forum, but I will say it again. With or without religion, good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things. But it takes religion to make good people do bad things.

So what's being done about it? make religions illegal?
No - the USA uses force under the religious banner and makes things tons worse for the rest of the world. Nice one.
Christianity is better than Muslim? is it? who knows.
Millions have been slain under the christian banner over the centuries. Is it any better than any other religion?

(alot of) Christian priests seem to be child molesters anyway - is that a good advert for religion? Maybe it's ok to molest a child if a bishop can do it

Col

 

[Mike375]

Hence, by definition, if we have an explanation, it is not supernatural. Which brings me back to my original question:

No, I said have the ability to do above and beyond what we can do. You can explain an elephant all day long but he is still suopernatural compared to you when it comes to strength.

As Hawking said, the Big Bang might have been creation.

 

[Alisa]

You can explain an elephant all day long but he is still suopernatural compared to you when it comes to strength.

No he is not. We can explain perfectly well why an elephant is stronger.

 

[Alisa]

So what's being done about it? make religions illegal?

Prohibition never stopped anyone from doing anything.

 

[dan-cat]

But it takes religion to make good people do bad things.

Love makes good people do bad things. Shall we prohibit that too?

 

[Rich]

Prohibition never stopped anyone from doing anything.

Education works well though

 

[Mike375]

No he is not. We can explain perfectly well why an elephant is stronger.

That is what I said but the explanation does not change his strength.

 

[Rich]

Love makes good people do bad things.

Such as ?

 

[Alisa]

Education works well though

Agreed. Although, with the I.D. movement in the U.S., not too well.

 

[Mike375]

Such as ?

Kill people.

 

[Alisa]

Mike, when I asked you what supernatural was, you said

A supernatural is someone/something that is above us and with the ability to do things for which we have no explanation.

I can't believe I actually feel the need to state this twice in my LIFE, but we can EXPLAIN an elephant's strength, therefore, it is NOT supernatural.

 

[dan-cat]

Such as ?

Shakespeare is inundated with examples.