Are you an atheist?

[Brianwarnock]

"Always being there" is in the same boat as supernatural.

I thought it was the reference to Hawking meant that he was standing on the shoulders of Giants.

Brian

 

[Rich]

I thought it was the reference to Hawking meant that he was standing on the shoulders of Giants.

Brian

Well yes that could be an option, but then I came to my conclusion long before Hawkins arrived on the scene

 

[dan-cat]

I think without that requirement we would still be in caves, also the fact that we have it does not mean that we think we can understand everything, I've failed enough exams to KNOW I can't.

Brian

Where would the inspiration come from without the possibility of success?

 

[Mike375]

I thought it was the reference to Hawking meant that he was standing on the shoulders of Giants.

Brian

Interesting that I am accused of standing on Hawking's shoulders while carrying the case for the supernatural.

 

[Rabbie]

How have you observed the expansion of the universe.

The red shift of distant galaxies is pretty strong empirical proof that the universe however created is expanding. The fact that the furthest away parts are moving faster suggests the rate of expansion is slowing down.

 

[Rich]

Where would the inspiration come from without the possibility of success?

Curiousity

 

[Brianwarnock]

Interesting that I am accused of standing on Hawking's shoulders while carrying the case for the supernatural.

I didn't accuse you Mike but just tried to understand what was special about 141.
Personaly I don't trust the eperts on either side of the debate, but find it intriguing that a believe or not in God comes down to how we think the "whatever" began.
I personally haven't a clue if a supernatural being exists, just like everybody else who is alive or has lived, mainly its religion I don't believe in the rest I'll find out when i'm dead.

Brian

 

[dan-cat]

Curiousity

Subscribing yourself to a belief system, whether theism or atheism is a little more that curiosity don't you think?

 

[Rich]

the rest I'll find out when i'm dead.

Brian

or not, as the case might be

 

[Mike375]

The red shift of distant galaxies is pretty strong empirical proof that the universe however created is expanding. The fact that the furthest away parts are moving faster suggests the rate of expansion is slowing down.

But have you observed it yourself.

As a side note why do the galaxies further away that are moving faster mean the expansion is slowing down.

 

[Rich]

Subscribing youself to a belief system, whether theism or atheism is a little more that curiosity don't you think?

No it was curiousity that caused me to actually investigate the facts instead of swallowing the subscribed brainwashing and then of course I arrived at the logical conclusion

 

[Mike375]

Brian,

You will find a lot of people who think there is a chance of the supernatural are in fact not at all religious. Just the opposite.

But don't you think it is kind of funny that carrying the case for the supernatural and using Hawking and Co as a backup for the case

 

[Rabbie]

No it was curiousity that caused me to actually investigate the facts instead of swallowing the subscribed brainwashing and then of course I arrived at the logical conclusion

Be careful Rich. Dan-cat will think you are being arrogant for not agreeing with him

 

[dan-cat]

You will find a lot of people who think there is a chance of the supernatural are in fact not at all religious. Just the opposite.

A fact missed by many

 

[Mike375]

No it was curiousity that caused me to actually investigate the facts instead of swallowing the subscribed brainwashing and then of course I arrived at the logical conclusion

Where did you get the "facts" from that you investigated?

 

[Rich]

Brian,

You will find a lot of people who think there is a chance of the supernatural are in fact not at all religious.

Yes and their usually called cranks.....................

 

[Rich]

Where did you get the "facts" from that you investigated?

Many books and not just one

 

[Alisa]

By the way, Alisa, your line of argument is flawed from the very beginning as you attempt to argue from authority and ad hominem. To suggest that your argument is superior because atheists are more intelligent is fallacious. Your argument is sound or not regardless of the intelligence of others.

When did I attempt to argue from authority or ad hominem? Despite many posts implying the contrary, I didn't attack anyone's intelligence, or their political beliefs. If you are refereing to the original post, I was simply restating one of Dawkin's conclusions for the benefit of those who hadn't read the book. I wasn't saying it was a fact, and I wasn't saying it to attack anyone in particular.

 

[Mike375]

Yes and their usually called cranks.....................

No they are just the opposite. The cranks are those that insist it can only be divine intervention for everything in life and those who insist that any creature above man can't exist. The latter has always puzzled me with the evolutionists.

 

[Rabbie]

Brian,

You will find a lot of people who think there is a chance of the supernatural are in fact not at all religious. Just the opposite.

By that I assume(always dangerous I know) that you enjoy hair-splitting. I suspect that 500 years ago you would have been arguing over the number of angels that could dance on the head of a pin.

From your previous posts in this thread I know that you are not a supporter of organised religion so I would not doubt the accuracy of your post