Are you an atheist? (2 Viewers)

[Alc]

then Seth

and Mr Wilkes, or did he come later?

 

[Mike375]

But the writers thought they'd mention potential dinosaurs? You'd think God would have known about the dangers of using ghost writers, as opposed to self-publishing.

The Bible was written the way it was written to test faith

As I write the cable TV has a show on Erich Von Daniken and Chariots of the Gods

 

[Alc]

The Bible was written the way it was written to test faith

Nope. I've tried every online thesaurus I can find and I can't see where 'gullibility' is given as a synonym for 'faith'?
Please provide a reference.

 

[Mike375]

Bible contradictions answered.....this is for Rich

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm#INDEX

 

[Mike375]

Nope. I've tried every online thesaurus I can find and I can't see where 'gullibility' is given as a synonym for 'faith'?
Please provide a reference.

I take it you have no faith in the Bible.

 

[Pauldohert]

They then created Cain and Abel. Where did the wives come from?

I have never read Jeffey Archer - and I doubt you will get anyone else to admit they have either.

AS a guess - Poland, Russia or Thailand.

 

[Alc]

I take it you have no faith in the Bible.

Unfortunately not (although I do believe that life would be so much simpler if I did).

However, if I ever decide to create an army of followers, it'll be the first thing I turn to.

 

[Pauldohert]

Craig's point is that often the question you ask is already framed for an answer, just because you can ask a question, it doesn't mean it has a valid answer

my point is: there is nothing north of the North Pole, because north is a property that begins at the North Pole

in the same way, time began at the big bang, there was no before

So the North pole question, Big bang and god are all similar cos the answer is in the definition??? Is that what you mean?

 

[Mike375]

Unfortunately not (although I do believe that life would be so much simpler if I did).

However, if I ever decide to create an army of followers, it'll be the first thing I turn to.

There are three ways to read the Bible. Biased against, for and no bias.

If I read it with no bias then it comes across as having a fair degree of truth but portraying God as having great power but with limitations and the same for His knowledge. Although obviously one cant read in isolation of their own experiences and knowledge.

 

[Fifty2One]

The best part about athiests is that you can make them work on christian holidays and not have to compensate them with a premium wage you just have to give them an alternate day off. They can also be scheduled to work early morning shift on Sunday or Friday after sundown or all day Saturday without feeling guilt about them missing worship time.

 

[Alisa]

Alisa,

Belief in a supernatural is not a created thing. People don't go and say..I had better whip up a supernatural to handle the bad days...

Actually that is kind of how it works. When tragedy strikes, it often makes no sense, and we want someone to blame. We want life to "be fair" and its just not. So we have to make up supernatural forces to explain the injustices of life.

Take Santa for example. We tell kids that if they are nice Santa will bring them a lot of presents on Christmas, and if they are naughty he will bring a lump of coal instead. We want the world to be fair - to reward the good and punish the bad, but that is just not how the world works. What actually happens is that the kids with the financially secure parents get more presents and the kids with the poor parents get fewer presents.

Then as we get older, the supernatural becomes more sophisticated. We bring in the afterlife, i.e., even though life is unfair on earth, even though people don't get what they deserve in this world, it is ok, because there is another life after this where they will get what they deserve (you will be rewarded or punished in heaven or hell).

It is comforting to think that the injustices of this world will be remedied in the next, that there is a reason for all the unfairness and tragedy that we just don't comprehend, that there is some supreme being watching over us, but the fact that we conceptualize this and find it comforting doesn't make it true.

An atheist would be like someone who is having problems with Access functions and chooses to completely ignore that they might have a problem with Windows or their computer.

A THEIST would be like someone who is having problems with Access functions and chooses to completely ignore that they might have a problem with Windows or their computer or their code, and instead of researching and fixing the problem, kneels down at his computer and prays for god to fix it.

An ATHEIST would be like someone who puts their nose to the grindstone and fixes the problem.

 

[Darth Vodka]

and Mr Wilkes, or did he come later?

boooooooooooooooo

no to Emmerdale jokes

 

[Rabbie]

The best part about athiests is that you can make them work on christian holidays and not have to compensate them with a premium wage you just have to give them an alternate day off. They can also be scheduled to work early morning shift on Sunday or Friday after sundown or all day Saturday without feeling guilt about them missing worship time.

In your dreams. I enjoy a nice break at Christmas even if it doesn't have any religious significance for me. If they want me to work then they will have to pay a good premium.

 

[Mike375]

Alisa,

Where your computer analogy is wrong is most people who have a belief in a supernatural or a leaning to such a belief have also been on the other side. In my case I think I would read far more on cosmology than the vast majority of atheists.

Your thoughts on people calling for God, or a god etc in times of trouble certainly applies to many people in lower socio economic groups.

Higher income people from the...what goes round comes round, karma etc and etc school of thought.. are that way because of their experience. They don't start with those type of beliefs.

 

[Rabbie]

Alisa,

Where your computer analogy is wrong is most people who have a belief in a supernatural or a leaning to such a belief have also been on the other side. In my case I think I would read far more on cosmology than the vast majority of atheists.

How do you know?. have you carried out a survey or is this just another case of you going by gut feelings to "prove" what you want

Your thoughts on people calling for God, or a god etc in times of trouble certainly applies to many people in lower socio economic groups.

Higher income people from the...what goes round comes round, karma etc and etc school of thought.. are that way because of their experience. They don't start with those type of beliefs.

I am still puzzled by your apparent belief that an atheist can't believe in "What goes round comes round" which you keep trotting out from the start of this thread.. I believe it quite often does and I can account for it without needing any supernatural being to fix it. It doesn't always happen but it does often enough for me to believe it. Those that live by the sword often die by the sword. Same thing

 

[Alisa]

The best part about athiests is that you can make them work on christian holidays and not have to compensate them with a premium wage you just have to give them an alternate day off. They can also be scheduled to work early morning shift on Sunday or Friday after sundown or all day Saturday without feeling guilt about them missing worship time.

I see you are not from the U.S. - Christmas is a federal holiday here. Hows that for separation of church and state? Everyone here either gets Christmas off, or gets paid double time for working, whether they are christian or not.

 

[Mike375]

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Originally Posted by Mike375
Alisa,

Where your computer analogy is wrong is most people who have a belief in a supernatural or a leaning to such a belief have also been on the other side. In my case I think I would read far more on cosmology than the vast majority of atheists.

How do you know?. have you carried out a survey or is this just another case of you going by gut feelings to "prove" what you want

What I said about occupations, atheist/supernaturat, insurance is not gut feeling. But what I said above is just casual observation.

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Your thoughts on people calling for God, or a god etc in times of trouble certainly applies to many people in lower socio economic groups.

Higher income people from the...what goes round comes round, karma etc and etc school of thought.. are that way because of their experience. They don't start with those type of beliefs.

I am still puzzled by your apparent belief that an atheist can't believe in "What goes round comes round" which you keep trotting out from the start of this thread.. I believe it quite often does and I can account for it without needing any supernatural being to fix it. It doesn't always happen but it does often enough for me to believe it. Those that live by the sword often die by the sword. Same thing

I think I am referring to..what goes round, harder I work etc...in stronger terms than you would and specifically results that don't line up with the work effort.

I keep extremely detailed results in my DB on cold calling and I can tell you some weird things pop up and it seems to happen when there is fever like activity. It is like the person is entitled to earn so much per hour and it will balance out. If the results from the calling are way above what they should be then the engine falls out of their car. If the call results are poor for a month then the reward will often come from somehwere that is completely unrelated.

 

[Mike375]

I see you are not from the U.S. - Christmas is a federal holiday here. Hows that for separation of church and state? Everyone here either gets Christmas off, or gets paid double time for working, whether they are christian or not.

I think there might be some sarcasm at hand

 

[Alisa]

I think there might be some sarcasm at hand

I'm not being sarcastic. Really. Thats how it is here.

 

[Mike375]

I'm not being sarcastic. Really. Thats how it is here.

I am referring to the other poster.