DaVinci Code
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You all, come on Kenny, you're southern..you should say y'all.KenHigg said:Hum... I was kind of interested in going to see the movie but I think you all have changed my mind...
However, I still want to. I know it is fiction and I like Tom Hanks....
That's my point. You said you were searching for God and spirituality but in reality you went out and looked for a religion. You looked to other people and other organizations to define your relationship with God for you. What you should have done was some introspective searching, decided what you believe about God for yourself, and only then get involved with a religion that suits your belief.ColinEssex said:Yes I can see that searching for answers about religion over a long period, and questioning 'christians' and vicars in many churches / denominations, speaking with the UK's top evangelist personally in his own home, going to a Billy Graham concert is looking for the wrong thing in the wrong place?
Obviously that wouldn't have happened anyway because there isn't a religion that suits your belief, and that's fine. But it's not the fault of a religion if it doesn't offer what you're looking for. I have my issues with religions, but they do have a geat deal of value for a great many people. There's nothing wrong with that.
I would argue that (like I said immediately after where you stopped quoting me) those are examples of using religion as an excuse. The Israel/Palestine conflict, for example, is a power struggle over land. Religious and ethnic differences are just an excuse to motivate people to perpetuate the conflict. The Crusades were the same deal.ColinEssex said:
I must say how grateful I am you posted that review. If it weren't for you, I may have suffered through that book!SJ McAbney said:
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KenHigg said:Sorry... Ya'll dun changed up muh mind on this'un ....
Good boy kenny!!
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Kraj said:
Disagree.
For the religious, faith transcends reason. It has to because the Almighty is beyond our frame of reference by definition
Thus faith can preclude reasoning. Kierkegaard's theory of the teleological suspension of the ethical argues this principle out.
Basically if you have faith in possessing the knowledge of God, there is nothing stopping you from rationalizing illogical arguments. Why? because you can claim knowledge from a higher authority than reason.
It is the factor of faith itself that perpetuates these conflicts. It is the faith not the reasoning, inside the mind of the doer that triggers the violent action. Yes, politicians manipulate this mind-set for their own ends, but it is the mindset itself that provides the tool, politicians simply wield it.
That's precisely that I've been saying, but perhaps I've not been very clear. I suppose that whether or not religion is used as a reason for war is a bit too vague and subjective to definitely claim an answer. I think I've made my point, though.dan-cat said:
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Good, now while we're on the subject of changing your mind, how about your love affair with your killing machineKenHigg said:Sorry... Ya'll dun changed up muh mind on this'un ....
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I see, so what you're saying is that man can behave as he wants and simply hide behind the "God will judge me if I'm wrong" opt out clause?dan-cat said:
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Rich said:I see, so what you're saying is that man can behave as he wants and simply hide behind the "God will judge me if I'm wrong" opt out clause?
Man behaves as he wants period. That is free will. The freedom to choose.
There is no 'if I'm wrong' in faith. That is the crucial element to my point. The unwavering from one's standpoint without influence from reason. That is the element that perpetuates war.
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A very wise man (I forget which one) once said regarding faith:
If a person truly believes, nothing will shake that faith. I could take 20 minutes and scientifically and logically disprove the existance of God. This would only make that person's faith stronger.
There are good and bad things about faith. For example, it is only a mother's faith that she has just given birth to the most intellegent and beautiful baby in the history of the world that keeps her from downing it.(Robert Heinlien).
If a person truly believes, nothing will shake that faith. I could take 20 minutes and scientifically and logically disprove the existance of God. This would only make that person's faith stronger.
There are good and bad things about faith. For example, it is only a mother's faith that she has just given birth to the most intellegent and beautiful baby in the history of the world that keeps her from downing it.(Robert Heinlien).
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The book was passable as airport lounge fodder but if taken seriously insulted the intelligence of the reader for the reasons posted by S J on his link.
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The one designed to killKenHigg said:
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Yes but you could take up a constructive hobby insteadKenHigg said:Sorry, Then I'd have one less thing to fuss with you guys about...
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