Gun laws do they work

[Bladerunner]

Hey Brian,
Glad to hear from you. Yes, from my point of view, ” Better Dead than Red” , but if you will notice my statement says some people, NOT ME, but some people are comfortable with “Better Red than Dead”.
Sure there are many different forms of government. But not “Good”, they are all bad, but for my money a Democratic Republic is the best of the bad. I have never been brain washed in public, school, in college, or in the military, about GB’s Queen. In fact it was never, one time, mention in a good or bad connotation. Just that it existed. It would, however, be hard for me to stomach someone receiving my tax dollar because of their blood line. If someone else is ok with that then I am ok, with it, for them.
Gun position is not the total issue. Yes, I like guns, but even if I didn’t want to own one, I would be oppose to banning them. It’s our law. If enough people in USA want to change the law they have a constitutional right to do so, but they don’t have a right to do it by phone/pen/BHO. I also have a legal, moral obligation to fight it and tyranny. Guns is only the beginning. The fact remains that I have mention often on this thread I see very little evidence (IN THE USA) that it would help the tragic shooting on our streets and school. It’s a cultural problem. Why should we be surprise when a kid goes to school and kills people just because someone offended him. He has never had to deal with authority or respect.

Mind if I step in for a second. Every one of the mass shootings, has happened in "GUN FREE" zones.

Blade

 

[Dick7Access]

Brian darling,
My Sincerest apologies. For some reason I was thinking you were an Aussie.

Ok, then let me ask, when did Brits lost the right to have guns?

 

[Bladerunner]

Oh! And BTW. Nobody is talking about banning guns, only controlling them , when are you and Blade going to get that into your heads.

Brian

Obama is trying to control them too by banning ammunition or powder, etc. and not the gun. Do you not reckon the black market will flourish? I understand you ideaology of control and in most cases we have them. Most all fifty states have some form of permits which require background checks of the owner. The background checks are what it is all about. Guns are selling quickly here in the USA and all of them will have background checks. What More Do You Want?

Blade

 

[Dick7Access]

Mind if I step in for a second. Every one of the mass shootings, has happened in "GUN FREE" zones.

Blade

There you go again, Blade, confusing the issue with facts and reality!

 

[Bladerunner]

Come on Brian don't bust my Brains. You know very well there are people all over America that want to take all our guns away. If you promise not to tell some of my gun fanatic acquaintances I am in favor of some gun restriction, but I am very careful to scrutinize what some would call a slight restriction. The Big Honcho for one, wants to take everybody's guns away. He doesn't say that, but then he lies about everything. You see if he ever got his way he would just say he has evolved.
That must sound funny to some, me calling anybody a "gun fanatic"

What about George Sorros and company, He and all the other card carrying socialist, communist want guns to be banned. Why, CONTROL..... He already has it over there now he wants it over here.

 

[Bladerunner]

There you go again, Blade, confusing the issue with facts and reality!

YEAH HA!

Blade

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Hi Anthony: to answer your question I first need to ask a question. Have you ever served in the military where your life could be in danger at a moments notice?

To answer your question, Freedom comes at a price and blood is not cheap. Vigilance is also part of that quest for freedom because if we are not vigilant, those who would take our freedom away will come in the night and steal it. By me carrying a gun, I help keep chaos ( in my circle of life) to a minimum by simply being passive. As one of those pictures stated "Yamamoto" just knowing a possibility of bad things happening is enough for the bad guys to stay away.

If you never did serve your country then you got your freedoms 'without any skin in the game'. (no it is not a game, just a figure of speech). That is the problem today with a lot of our population. It is all me, me, me. If you did, then what changed your mind?

As I stated at one time before, history shows us that hard times are coming. If you don;t believe this, simply look to Fergusen MO. and other places where the law is under attack. Once the law becomes ineffective, what are you going to do?

Blade

I have never served in the military. No. Isn't the problem in Fergus on based on the gun. Not solved by it?

 

[Dick7Access]

I have never served in the military. No. Isn't the problem in Fergus on based on the gun. Not solved by it?

I am going to ask this question base on assuming that you are being completely honest. No sarcasm in my question intended, no accusation intended, just pure unadulterated amazement.
How can you come to any conclusion that a gun was the problem?

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Eh? A man was shot dead
Two police have been shot. Guns are central to the story aren't they?

 

[Brianwarnock]

Oh come on Anthony it was nothing to do with guns, it is a cultural problem. If there had been no guns they would have been beaten to death with a toothbrush.

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

I have never served in the military. No. Isn't the problem in Fergus on based on the gun. Not solved by it?

Yes a gun in the hands of a policeman was involved. Had he not had it, he would have been dead instead of the bad guy. I guess to most liberals here in the US a dead cop is the best thing that could happen.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

I have never served in the military. No. Isn't the problem in Fergus on based on the gun. Not solved by it?

Let me add one other thing here, the ferguson deal is bad but the bad guy had a choice to stop and he did not. Now we have people from outside of MO. coming in to start a Riots hoping it will catch on throughout the country. Well, two other policemen got shot (by sniper) the other night. As I said at one time or the other, If we had Bobbies (as in England) over here, there would be a lot of dead bodies around. The bad guys would have a field day. Then there would be a militarization of the police force or like France did, call the Military in which would take away a bunch of our freedoms. If the riots far ranging enough, call in Martial Law ( I believe this is what the present administration is working towards)

The bottom line, Guns were not the problem here. A gun stopped the murder of a policeman. The Riots are political and and helped along by the present administration. The Riots want social change because most of the people in the riots like mobs are caught up in the moment and have no idea what is going on. The ones that know what is going on, are at home, scared to death that the riot will spill over into their neighborhood. I would bet there were more than one gun at the ready. Short gun or long gun, it does not matter, they help to prevent bad things from happening more often than not.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Oh come on Anthony it was nothing to do with guns, it is a cultural problem. If there had been no guns they would have been beaten to death with a toothbrush.

Brian

very funny Brian: and I suppose those people at Charlie Hebdo were beaten to death. Somebody is always going to have a gun and I will bet you that it is the bad guy who will have one. Yes, this thug had already robbed a store and had tried to take away the officers gun. Why ---to shoot him with it????????

But I guess the 'Pie in the Sky' ideologues can actually see a world FREE of all guns. Ganges Khan did not have guns nor did the Romans, etc. I guess that we really need to change that Pie in the Sky Idea to 'a world where not one kills one another. "All we are saying,......is give peace a chance"

While this is not the place to say this, I will as always will say it anyway. After Armageddon , there will be a period of 'one thousand years' of peace world wide. That is as close as I can get to world peace. I probably will be in my grave but some will see it.

Blade

 

[Brianwarnock]

very funny Brian: and I suppose those people at Charlie Hebdo were beaten to death.

No they were shot with guns.

Somebody is always going to have a gun and I will bet you that it is the bad guy who will have one. Yes, this thug had already robbed a store and had tried to take away the officers gun. Why ---to shoot him with it????????

This is contradictory for your point, the thug did not have a gun, if he had had he could have just shot the officer

But I guess the 'Pie in the Sky' ideologues can actually see a world FREE of all guns. Ganges Khan did not have guns nor did the Romans, etc. I guess that we really need to change that Pie in the Sky Idea to 'a world where not one kills one another. "All we are saying,......is give peace a chance"

While this is not the place to say this, I will as always will say it anyway. After Armageddon , there will be a period of 'one thousand years' of peace world wide. That is as close as I can get to world peace. I probably will be in my grave but some will see it.

Blade

I don't know about Ganges but his cousin Genghis would really have run riot if had had them.

As for Armageddon (been there BTW) I cannot understand why your God allows Satan back,, but then I don't understand why one fallen angel causes God so much trouble.

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

This is contradictory for your point, the thug did not have a gun, if he had had he could have just shot the officer

I don't know about Ganges but his cousin Genghis would really have run riot if had had them.

As for Armageddon (been there BTW) I cannot understand why your God allows Satan back,, but then I don't understand why one fallen angel causes God so much trouble.

Brian

The big guy had already broken the officers facial bones around the eye socket. The police still had to arrest him and it happened. When you have a gun, and a bull charges you with no where to go, you are going to fear for your life and you then have a choice to make. What would be your choice---?????/. I am sorry he got shot but he also had the choice to stop and did not. I would have shot him as well. I am not to good at fighting.

OOPs,,, Thought that looked funny. Did not look it up, Guess that was obvious. However, and BUT --you got the point and thanks for the correction..

It all goes back to the garden of Eden and the birth of Christ.(BTW???) Since your asking, maybe he planned it that way. It seems that a whole lot of the prophecies have come true and a whole lot of them are yet to be filled. Of course the final one being that Satan is cast in the bottomless pit. for a 1000 years --(notice this is not hell)? He started with Satan in the beginning and will end with him at the end of times.

Blade

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Yes a gun in the hands of a policeman was involved. Had he not had it, he would have been dead instead of the bad guy. I guess to most liberals here in the US a dead cop is the best thing that could happen.

Blade

Well the statistics for deaths of officers in the line of duty, like that of ordinary citizens are far worse in the US than here.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

As for Armageddon (been there BTW) I cannot understand why your God allows Satan back,, but then I don't understand why one fallen angel causes God so much trouble.

Brian

I missed my chance to visit as I had a visa mixup. Its not the end of the world though! ;-)

 

[ConnorGiles]

It seems that a whole lot of the prophecies have come true and a whole lot of them are yet to be filled. Of course the final one being that Satan is cast in the bottomless pit.
Blade

Most Prophecies that are "Made" are usually so Vague that even I could make one up, Ready? - "When the Moon is full the brown horse will win the race".

If you view some of the prophecies stated over the years, you will see how vague they truly are. One day they are bound to come true which is why they never have a expiry date on them - The Mayans did that once we have surpassed their end of days date)

Well the statistics for deaths of officers in the line of duty, like that of ordinary citizens are far worse in the US than here.

Although true, remember the size of America against the size of the UK.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Oh! And BTW. Nobody is talking about banning guns, only controlling them , when are you and Blade going to get that into your heads.

Brian

Pretty much the entire Tea Party, the NRA, and the rest of the far-right reactionaries see the two as one and the same. Some days it seems that they quite literally cannot conceive of any form of middle ground between "everyone has their own personal RPG collection and GPMG" and "jackbooted thugs forcibly take everyone's guns away before frogmarching the entire population into FEMA death camps".

How many times have you seen me post here about being in favor of a couple, minor new restrictions on gun ownership, only to see Dick or Blade go off on me about my desire to completely disarm everyone in America?

 

[Frothingslosh]

Eh? A man was shot dead
Two police have been shot. Guns are central to the story aren't they?

Honestly, the problems in Ferguson have far more to do with systemic racism than anything else. Guns made the situation worse, but they hardly caused it. I'd wager money that if Darren Wilson hadn't had a gun, Michael Brown would have been beaten half (or more) to death instead.

And the most recent shootings did nothing but give the 'the cops can do nothing wrong' crowd more ammunition (pun intended). It doesn't help that the suspect claims he was doing a drive-by on someone else and hit the cops by accident.