Gun laws do they work

[Bladerunner]

And the figures for the USA are?

I'm about to go out for the day so don't have time to post all the google found links that compare gun homicides across countries but a quick glance suggests the USA does not come out well versus the UK.

Brian

Brian before you get on your "high" horse let it be known that I only included those facts about UK murders trying to make a point. With the gun control you and Australia have only slows down the murders by a little. Unless you can remove all guns throughout the world, Gun Control Will Not and Can Not work?

We have hand gun control here in most states where the owner has to either have a permit to own it and/or a permit to carry it. In some cases neither. It has not stopped the senseless murders that are committed mostly against Blacks BY Blacks themselves. The Culture has to change and until it does, I will (thank you ) keep mine.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Brian before you get on your "high" horse let it be known that I only included those facts about UK murders trying to make a point. With the gun control you and Australia have only slows down the murders by a little. Unless you can remove all guns throughout the world, Gun Control Will Not and Can Not work?

We have hand gun control here in most states where the owner has to either have a permit to own it and/or a permit to carry it. In some cases neither. It has not stopped the senseless murders that are committed mostly against Blacks BY Blacks themselves. The Culture has to change and until it does, I will (thank you ) keep mine.

High horse! What high horse.

You say that our death rates are only slowed down a little but do not quote figures for comparison, what kind of logic is that?

The UNODC homicide figures per 100,000 show a rate of 1.0 for the UK ,
1.6 for Canada , and 4.7 for USA , a figure agreeing with those in a USA only study. You call that a little!!!

However if you read these sites carefully and comprehend what is written, I realise that might be difficult for people that cannot even understand their constitution, then you will see that the figures carry many caveats.

I just note that even with guns you and Dick seem to lead terrified lives whereas I walk the streets unafraid.

Brian

 

[Dick7Access]

High horse! What high horse.

You say that our death rates are only slowed down a little but do not quote figures for comparison, what kind of logic is that?

The UNODC homicide figures per 100,000 show a rate of 1.0 for the UK ,
1.6 for Canada , and 4.7 for USA , a figure agreeing with those in a USA only study. You call that a little!!!

However if you read these sites carefully and comprehend what is written, I realise that might be difficult for people that cannot even understand their constitution, then you will see that the figures carry many caveats.

I just note that even with guns you and Dick seem to lead terrified lives whereas I walk the streets unafraid.

Brian

The humor first: those figures proves Americans are better Marksmen than Brits.

Serious: Your darn right it is scary here n the US, and some want to take my gun away on topb of that. .I am in a motel in Mobile, AL right now waiting for my sister-in-law to pick me up for breakfast. Last night when she dropped me of, I checked the packing lot before I got out. Do you really think taking my gun away is gong to help that. Its cultural problem, not a choice of weapon.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

The humor first: those figures proves Americans are better Marksmen than Brits.

Serious: Your darn right it is scary here n the US, and some want to take my gun away on topb of that. .I am in a motel in Mobile, AL right now waiting for my sister-in-law to pick me up for breakfast. Last night when she dropped me of, I checked the packing lot before I got out. Do you really think taking my gun away is gong to help that. Its cultural problem, not a choice of weapon.

Who were the lot who were packing (heat)? Is that allowed?

Whats the solution to the cultural problem that will lead to guns not being so appealing then.

The prison rate is massive too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

 

[Brianwarnock]

Dick I agree you may have a cultural problem, life is cheap and so are guns.

If you can remember previous posts you will know that have never said that you all should give up all of your guns but that the USA needs better gun control.

If I lived there I am sure that I would want have a hand gun at home and have the whole family trained in its use, however I feel that all carry permits should be removed and the system overhauled so that only in certain circumstances should weapons be carried outside of the home area. The punishment for breaking this law would be very harsh.

Please don't wet your pants and talk of hunters sport shooters they could fall into the licensed circumstances, just like the trained militia mentioned in your constitution.

Brian

 

[Libre]

I don't see the need for guns. Some people just want them. They want them so they want them. Some people feel the need to have ferocious dogs accompany them wherever they go. No, my dog is not vicious - he's really very friendly; they say - until the mongrel mauls somebody. Then they say, I don't understand that. I'm sorry it happened but he must have been provoked.
Guns are a clear menace to our citizens - both armed and unarmed. Every few days somebody is shot accidentally, or in anger. Once in a blue moon there is a legitimate use of a gun in self defense. When somebody is shot unintentionally (quite often), the gun owner says "it went off". It went off like the dog "was provoked". To paraphrase a popular NRA slogan, Guns don't "go off", people "go off".

 

[Bladerunner]

High horse! What high horse.

You say that our death rates are only slowed down a little but do not quote figures for comparison, what kind of logic is that?

The UNODC homicide figures per 100,000 show a rate of 1.0 for the UK ,
1.6 for Canada , and 4.7 for USA , a figure agreeing with those in a USA only study. You call that a little!!!

However if you read these sites carefully and comprehend what is written, I realise that might be difficult for people that cannot even understand their constitution, then you will see that the figures carry many caveats.

I just note that even with guns you and Dick seem to lead terrified lives whereas I walk the streets unafraid.

Brian

There you GOooooooooo again. Listening to Frothy too much!. I intentionally put those numbers up. Why? It certainly was not to compare the US with the UK. Nor was it meant to be anything other than what I stated.

you say there are no comparison yet you and others site that if only one person is killed by an accidental discharge of a gun it is too much. Time to get rid of them or put the parents in jail, etc....... You cannot have you cake and Icecream at the same time.

Again: Until you get all (and I mean All) the guns out of the hands of all the people of the WORLD, Gun Control and Gun Bans will only serve to slow down gun murders and facilitate the rise of dictators who will have the guns you did not get.
(i.e. the women and children that were slain in Iraq and Syria. Did they have guns or would it have mattered?)

Ther is a show about the Alaskan 'wild' that shows several people living off the land in Alaska. Now Alaska has the largest population of bears in the world. These people when they leave the house carry their gun with them. If they are working, their rifle is sitting there close to them. They are not afraid but Prepared. That is Dick and I. I am not afraid of walking anywhere in the US. I am just prepared. Well, I took that a little too far. I would not walk in Harlem (and other like places) at night with or without a gun in my hand. There somethings you just do not do. (i.e. stick you head in a lions mouth, etc.)

There still has been no answer to Dick's original question posted. 'Show him Where Gun Control Worked ? and stopped all killings by guns.


Hope I answered all your questions and I am sorry you took it that way, Brian

.Have a great day my friend

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

I don't see the need for guns. Some people just want them. They want them so they want them. Some people feel the need to have ferocious dogs accompany them wherever they go. No, my dog is not vicious - he's really very friendly; they say - until the mongrel mauls somebody. Then they say, I don't understand that. I'm sorry it happened but he must have been provoked.
Guns are a clear menace to our citizens - both armed and unarmed. Every few days somebody is shot accidentally, or in anger. Once in a blue moon there is a legitimate use of a gun in self defense. When somebody is shot unintentionally (quite often), the gun owner says "it went off". It went off like the dog "was provoked". To paraphrase a popular NRA slogan, Guns don't "go off", people "go off".

Hi Libre: Do you live in a Guarded or locked building? You said you live in Queens. There are a lot of murders in that area. Do you go walking by yourself around the real bad places in Queens at night? Do you think that the bad places will spill over into the good places every now and then? If so, how far away are the policemen when you need them. I could go on and on asking questions about the conditions one lives in. If you live in an area where there is no protection within 15-30 minutes (maybe) then you have to protect yourself and your loved ones or prepare to have them possibly die, raped or just plain beaten up in front of you. That is IF a bad guy comes calling. A lot of you will say the odds are against it. Well I never have been too lucky myself and I like MY House ODDs a whole lot better.

Blade

 

[Libre]

Hi Libre: Do you live in a Guarded or locked building? You said you live in Queens. There are a lot of murders in that area. Do you go walking by yourself around the real bad places in Queens at night? Do you think that the bad places will spill over into the good places every now and then? If so, how far away are the policemen when you need them. I could go on and on asking questions about the conditions one lives in. If you live in an area where there is no protection within 15-30 minutes (maybe) then you have to protect yourself and your loved ones or prepare to have them possibly die, raped or just plain beaten up in front of you. That is IF a bad guy comes calling. A lot of you will say the odds are against it. Well I never have been too lucky myself and I like MY House ODDs a whole lot better.

Blade

Blade - we've been through all this. No, I do not live in a guarded community. I mean, there is a security guard at night, but I would not expect him to get in the line of fire in case of a violent assault.
I've lived in NYC all my life. I've driven and walked in every conceivable area - Central Park, South Bronx, Harlem, you name it. Yet (and knock on wood) I've never been attacked. Am I just lucky? No. You are propagating the myth that the city is very dangerous and anybody would be nuts to walk around without protection. My protection is the statistical unlikelyhood of being assaulted (knock on wood again).
Since I knew somebody would demand facts and figures, I'm not asking you to take my word on this. Violent crime statistics for the area show that per 1000 citizens, there are 3.18 assaults in Queens, annually.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/queens/crime/

I haven't looked up the chance of being struck by lightning, or of being shot unintentionally - but I'd wager the probability is no less and probably greater than 3.18/1000.

So I could go get a gun, carry it around, have it on my mind, have to take care of it, and keep it out of the wrong hands, and always worry about it, just to give me some kind of a feeling that I have some defense against the extremely rare assault. Now, property crime is a bit higher than violent crime - but that brings in the question of, is it wise or right to use a deadly weapon to prevent a crime against property. There are a lot of people in prison today who have a lot of time to consider that question.

 

[Mike375]

Australia has now had the laws since 1996, so almost 20 years.

Probably the main difference is a lot of extra jobs in each states Firearms Registry. Also diversion of police resources because of the checking on the requirements for "safe keeping" which requires police visits.

We also now have 5 members of the Shooters and Fishers Party in the Upper House (Senate) in the state parliaments. I am not 100% but I think we are the only country to a have Shooters Party in parliament. They often have the balance of power in our biggest state because on nearly all issues the Christina Democrat Party votes with the Shooters. Initially the Christian Democrats were against the Shooters/Fishers party but the discovered they basic political beliefs were the same.

We also have far more guns than after registration started which in part was caused by the all the funds from the "buy back" of semi autos.

Drive by shootings have greatly increased but that appears to be the outlaw motor cycle gangs (drug territory issues) which are now very Arab Muslim dominated.

Muggings and assaults etc. are way up but that is not gun related.

Gun shops make more money because when you sell a gun to someone a transfer has to be done via a licensed gun dealer and of course with that comes a fee, usually about $50 per gun.

The firearms registries in each state are mess and inaccuracies of what type and how many guns are owned by an individual is high.

We have a state election in our most populated state on March 28 and the odds are looking high that another Shooters Party member will be elected.

Apart from that what is good is you can stick an Access 2003 mdb straight into 2013 and no changes have to be made whether you leave it as a mdb or save it as an accdb. At least that has been my experience on a very large complex data base and which a lot of the data base is communicating to Word and Excel and from Word and Excel back Bookmark values and Excel cells back to Access bound text boxes.

I use the Office 365 where you pay $12 AUS per month.

 

[Bladerunner]

Blade - we've been through all this. No, I do not live in a guarded community. I mean, there is a security guard at night, but I would not expect him to get in the line of fire in case of a violent assault.
I've lived in NYC all my life. I've driven and walked in every conceivable area - Central Park, South Bronx, Harlem, you name it. Yet (and knock on wood) I've never been attacked. Am I just lucky? No. You are propagating the myth that the city is very dangerous and anybody would be nuts to walk around without protection. My protection is the statistical unlikelyhood of being assaulted (knock on wood again).
Since I knew somebody would demand facts and figures, I'm not asking you to take my word on this. Violent crime statistics for the area show that per 1000 citizens, there are 3.18 assaults in Queens, annually.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/queens/crime/

I haven't looked up the chance of being struck by lightning, or of being shot unintentionally - but I'd wager the probability is no less and probably greater than 3.18/1000.

So I could go get a gun, carry it around, have it on my mind, have to take care of it, and keep it out of the wrong hands, and always worry about it, just to give me some kind of a feeling that I have some defense against the extremely rare assault. Now, property crime is a bit higher than violent crime - but that brings in the question of, is it wise or right to use a deadly weapon to prevent a crime against property. There are a lot of people in prison today who have a lot of time to consider that question.

Thank you Libre. You did not have to provide the statistics, I have no reason to NOT believe you. Appreciate your information. Like a thief, a bad guy unless he/she has a revenge agenda will target soft areas and not areas where guards are. Having said that, guards are somewhat like 'locks' in that they are only for the honest person. A thief or bad guy will get in anyway.

It is good to hear that the city of NY is a pretty safe place to be. With about 35,000 strong police force, it should be.

A gun (any type) is not for everyone. My wife a few years ago would never touch one although she actually put-up with mine for many years. A couple years ago, an incident occurred that radically changed her mind. She now carries a small pistol when she is out and about.(yes, she has her carry permit) She does not carry to work or regular places of business --but around here she does unless I am around. Again it is not from fear but being prepared.

Thank you again for the info.

Blade

 

[Dick7Access]

Dick I agree you may have a cultural problem, life is cheap and so are guns.

If you can remember previous posts you will know that have never said that you all should give up all of your guns but that the USA needs better gun control.

If I lived there I am sure that I would want have a hand gun at home and have the whole family trained in its use, however I feel that all carry permits should be removed and the system overhauled so that only in certain circumstances should weapons be carried outside of the home area. The punishment for breaking this law would be very harsh.

Please don't wet your pants and talk of hunters sport shooters they could fall into the licensed circumstances, just like the trained militia mentioned in your constitution.

Brian

certain circumstances
who gets to determine what the certain circumstances should be?

 

[Dick7Access]

Dick I agree you may have a cultural problem, life is cheap and so are guns.

If you can remember previous posts you will know that have never said that you all should give up all of your guns but that the USA needs better gun control.

If I lived there I am sure that I would want have a hand gun at home and have the whole family trained in its use, however I feel that all carry permits should be removed and the system overhauled so that only in certain circumstances should weapons be carried outside of the home area. The punishment for breaking this law would be very harsh.

Please don't wet your pants and talk of hunters sport shooters they could fall into the licensed circumstances, just like the trained militia mentioned in your constitution.

Brian

The punishment for breaking this law would be very harsh.

Now your talking my language my friend.

Lets start this very harsh punisment for the one's that want to ra** my wife nd dughter, steal my money, and injure me. No joke intended. I do think that would make a difference in our culture.

 

[Brianwarnock]

certain circumstances
who gets to determine what the certain circumstances should be?

Me thinks that you have no intention of ever considering the possibility of restrictions on gun ownership.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

The punishment for breaking this law would be very harsh.

Now your talking my language my friend.

Lets start this very harsh punisment for the one's that want to ra** my wife nd dughter, steal my money, and injure me. No joke intended. I do think that would make a difference in our culture.

So you want people punished for thinking about doing things to your family and property?


Brian

 

[ConnorGiles]

There you GOooooooooo again. Listening to Frothy too much!. I intentionally put those numbers up. Why? It certainly was not to compare the US with the UK. Nor was it meant to be anything other than what I stated.

But why quote our gun deaths without your own? Surely because it would put the US on its backside in side by side statistics.

you say there are no comparison yet you and others site that if only one person is killed by an accidental discharge of a gun it is too much. Time to get rid of them or put the parents in jail, etc....... You cannot have you cake and Icecream at the same time.

So what would you call one accidental gun death? Not enough? Your constant arrogance towards what gun control actually means is showing you to be quite paranoid. No-one has ever said on this thread we want your guns to be taken away and throw away the key. All we have said is the US requires much stricter control when it comes to guns.

What other than good can come from stricter gun control? It would only come down to being a lot more careful in storage and maintenance of your firearm. Not taking it away.

Again: Until you get all (and I mean All) the guns out of the hands of all the people of the WORLD, Gun Control and Gun Bans will only serve to slow down gun murders and facilitate the rise of dictators who will have the guns you did not get.
(i.e. the women and children that were slain in Iraq and Syria. Did they have guns or would it have mattered?)

I hope you mean Prevent when you say slow gun deaths. and as to the women and children slain in Syria. Sadly in my opinion I would have to say I doubt it would have mattered.

This part does nothing but intensify my views that you are paranoid.

Ther is a show about the Alaskan 'wild' that shows several people living off the land in Alaska. Now Alaska has the largest population of bears in the world. These people when they leave the house carry their gun with them. If they are working, their rifle is sitting there close to them. They are not afraid but Prepared. That is Dick and I. I am not afraid of walking anywhere in the US. I am just prepared. Well, I took that a little too far. I would not walk in Harlem (and other like places) at night with or without a gun in my hand. There somethings you just do not do. (i.e. stick you head in a lions mouth, etc.)

Shall I tell you the difference between that show and you and dick?

They are defending themselves against bears, You feel the need to defend yourself or show to people that you are able to. I doubt wildlife comes into the occasion in your case.

There still has been no answer to Dick's original question posted. 'Show him Where Gun Control Worked ? and stopped all killings by guns.

People in the UK still are able to get guns? Don't see many if any accidental gun deaths due to our very strict laws on guns.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom

take a stroll through there.

now through here

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

UK is allowed to have guns. It's just hard to obtain them.

Here if your statistic.

UK Gun Deaths per 100,000 population (2011) : 0.23
US Gun Deaths per 100,000 population (2011) : 10.3

Hope this gave you clarity.
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[Frothingslosh]

So you want people punished for thinking about doing things to your family and property?


Brian

Yeah, completely unsurprising that Dick (and likely Blade) are in favor of Miniluv and the Thought Police.

Edit: Heh. "Miniluv and the Thought Police" - sounds like some old-school punk group.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Yeah, completely unsurprising that Dick (and likely Blade) are in favor of Miniluv and the Thought Police.

Edit: Heh. "Miniluv and the Thought Police" - sounds like some old-school punk group.

Hey! You are not supposed to pinch my lines.

To be honest yours was a lot better than I would have come up with.

Brian

 

[Dick7Access]

Me thinks that you have no intention of ever considering the possibility of restrictions on gun ownership.

Brian

Not so Brian, I am for some controls. I have stated that many times. I ask a simple question. Who should decide what the restriction are?

 

[Dick7Access]

Yeah, completely unsurprising that Dick (and likely Blade) are in favor of Miniluv and the Thought Police.

Edit: Heh. "Miniluv and the Thought Police" - sounds like some old-school punk group.

Frothy,
How in the world can you ever conclude I want "Though Police". I am just the opposite. I want government out of my (and your) life.

One example: The town I live in passed a law banning smoking in restaurants. I voted against. I hate smoking, I thin k it's terrible. My dad died of lung cancer, but it's not the governments job on private business to tell them if they can allow smoking on their property. I could give many other example but that should suffice.

I have to plead ingnorance on what "MiniLuv" clue me in.