Gun laws do they work (1 Viewer)

[Brianwarnock]

Good point! I haven't got time to go back and check right now to see who mentioned license verses permit , but I will later.

Wow that is some task!
I am guessing that nobody actually spelt out the gun licensing situation and I just assumed that all guns should be licensed, and that a further license (permit) was needed to carry, each stage involving stricter background checks.
I admit to my naivety but if this is not so then I am even more certain that gun control is needed.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

Seems the story just broke on Friday. I think there will be Hell to pay in the near future for the police department up there.

Again, the 2nd Amendment is our license to own a gun. And while we are at it, the 2nd Amendment was not put in there so we could stop an invasion from outside. It was put there to forestall a overbearing government from within. .

This sounds like the situation in Syria, is that what you want? A group of armed malcontents starting a civil war. This is not the 18th century but the 21st, you have the vote, plus as the Syrian rebels have found out a ruthless government with superior fire power is not easily removed.

Brian

 

[Frothingslosh]

Wow that is some task!
I am guessing that nobody actually spelt out the gun licensing situation and I just assumed that all guns should be licensed, and that a further license (permit) was needed to carry, each stage involving stricter background checks.
I admit to my naivety but if this is not so then I am even more certain that gun control is needed.

Brian

Most states do not have a licensing requirement for possession - Hawaii, Illinois , and Massachusetts require one for both rifles and handguns, while New York requires one for handguns but not rifles. Washington DC requires a license for both types, and American territories generally require a license for rifles while barring civilian ownership of handguns entirely.

Some states allow municipalities to create their gun laws, and I'm sure a number of those have created their own licensing requirements as well. I know both Chicago and NYC both take a really dim view of people walking around town with firearms.

By and large, however, you are allowed to own any non-automatic rifle or handgun you want. Even in the states that have licensing requirements, the license is much like a driver's license - it's just a certification that you've gone through firearms and firearm safety training.

Many states allow open carry, and many do not. I believe no state (MAYBE Texas) allows concealed carry without a permit, and driving around with weapons in the car is generally tied to that same permitting. (Meaning that in Texas you can drive with a rifle in the back seat, but God help you in most states if you have a pistol in the glove box and don't have a CCW.)

 

[Frothingslosh]

This sounds like the situation in Syria, is that what you want? A group of armed malcontents starting a civil war. This is not the 18th century but the 21st, you have the vote, plus as the Syrian rebels have found out a ruthless government with superior fire power is not easily removed.

Brian

Brian, please keep in mind that Bladerunner is a right-wing idealogue of the most extreme sort even by American standards. To him, moderate and liberal stances are conspiracies out to destroy America, kill all white people, and turn the smoking remains over the Muslims so they can tap dance on our graves. By his reckoning, everyone to the left of his stated positions wants nothing more than to disarm the populace, exterminate all Christians (the Ony True Religion), tear down the free market and replace it with a Soviet beurocracy, perform forcible abortions on every pregnant woman ever, and eat kittens.

Hell, both he and Dick7Access have accused me of being a traitor to my country simply because of my posts here regarding gun control, Biblical literalism, and Starbucks.

 

[dan-cat]

Hell, both he and Dick7Access have accused me of being a traitor to my country simply because of my posts here regarding gun control, Biblical literalism, and Starbucks.

... and social contracts

 

[Frothingslosh]

Did you have to use you weapon as a policeman much - either shooting - or drawing to threaten to shoot. Did you get shot at / threatened with a gun.

Just interested - it doesn't really happen here - mainly specialist squads and even for them I imagine actually shooting is fairly uncommon.

My father was a cop. He was involved in precisely one shooting.

Ironically enough, it was of a fellow officer.

As a general rule, a cop won't pull their gun unless they're prepared to shoot - usually because they're expecting serious trouble.

 

[Frothingslosh]

... and social contracts

LOL

In Blade's defense, he grew up during the Cold War. For most of his life, communism and socialism were a) identical (even if they really aren't), and b) THE ENEMY. For that entire period, the US and its allies were more or less at war with the entire Communist Bloc, even if there was only limited direct shooting between the principals.

As the US has a great tradition of demonizing the enemy of the moment, I completely understand why he, D7A, and other Baby Boomers have such a monumental hatred of the word 'socialism' - they were literally taught from birth that 'socialism' was evil and the complete antithesis of freedom and prosperity.

I don't agree with them - I am neither socialist nor capitalist, but instead prefer a certain mix of both - but I understand them.

 

[dan-cat]

In Blade's defense, he grew up during the Cold War.

I confess that I enjoyed checking my elephant trap the following morning.

 

[Bladerunner]

This sounds like the situation in Syria, is that what you want? A group of armed malcontents starting a civil war. This is not the 18th century but the 21st, you have the vote, plus as the Syrian rebels have found out a ruthless government with superior fire power is not easily removed.

Brian

Even when the Russian gov is helping the Syrian gov. The malcontents here in the USA are the liberals. They will do what is necessary to destroy anyone who is against them. I have seen this characteristic in liberals since the 1960's. They would destroy the country and themselves in order to have their way.

The latest news is about a Mr. Gruber who has called the American people "STUPID" because the present admin was able able to convince a lot of people that his (feeeeeeeel good) policies were good for them. Now alot of those people see the truth.

p.s. He is not calling me stupid because I knew they were lies. He was calling the ones that got sucked into their plan "STUPID". (i.e. Most all the liberals in the USA),,,,To this point, I would have to agree with him.

On another note; If your government decided that they are supreme and you have no say then what are you going to do? sit there and obey them.. Poor little feller. Rem, there are no new lands to go to.

Liberty is not cheap and in the USA we have an abundance of liberty as seen in the last election. Because we are ready and prepared to fight for it if necessary. Look at Europe and tell me you are prepared for Russia and China. You hide your heads in the sand and hope it goes away when in reality all you are doing is 'mooning the sky'.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Of course, looking at the above, his upbringing certainly doesn't excuse the tinfoil hattery of the above post.

Oy vey.

Edit: Aaaaand Blade took out the personal attack calling me a traitor. Wish I'd quoted it.

 

[dan-cat]

On another note; If your government decided that they are supreme and you have no say then what are you going to do? sit there and obey them.. Poor little feller. Rem, there are no new lands to go to.

This is an example beyond the US border so it may stretch your imagination a little but I'll give it a shot anyway. Link

 

[Bladerunner]

This is an example beyond the US border so it may stretch your imagination a little but I'll give it a shot anyway. Link

Not sure what you are saying here but yes civil war is everywhere except in those Democratic FREE societies. Yes, we have problems within from those that need a civil war/ disobedience to maintain power and have to fight (various other ways of fighting available not necessarily by the sword. That does not mean you throw your sword away.

If I have read this wrong, let me know?

 

[Bladerunner]

Brian, please keep in mind that Bladerunner is a right-wing idealogue of the most extreme sort even by American standards. To him, moderate and liberal stances are conspiracies out to destroy American, kill all white people, and turn the smoking remains over the Muslims so they can tap dance on our graves. By his reckoning, everyone to the left of his stated positions want nothing more than to disarm the populace, exterminate all Christians (the Ony True Religion), tear down the free market and replace it with a Soviet beurocracy, perform forcible abortions on every pregnant woman ever, and eat kittens.

Hell, both he and Dick7Access have accused me of being a traitor to my country simply because of my posts here regarding gun control, Biblical literalism, and Starbucks.

I rest my case!

 

[Frothingslosh]

I rest my case!

You're not very good at this whole 'keeping your promises' thing, are you?

Or reading comprehension, either, from the looks of it.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Brian, please keep in mind that Bladerunner is a right-wing idealogue of the most extreme sort even by American standards. To him, moderate and liberal stances are conspiracies out to destroy America, kill all white people, and turn the smoking remains over the Muslims so they can tap dance on our graves. By his reckoning, everyone to the left of his stated positions wants nothing more than to disarm the populace, exterminate all Christians (the Ony True Religion), tear down the free market and replace it with a Soviet beurocracy, perform forcible abortions on every pregnant woman ever, and eat kittens.

Hell, both he and Dick7Access have accused me of being a traitor to my country simply because of my posts here regarding gun control, Biblical literalism, and Starbucks.

Now Starbucks I get, they should be driven out in the name of good coffee.

Brian

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Now Starbucks I get, they should be driven out in the name of good coffee.

Brian

And costa!

 

[Brianwarnock]

By Bladerunner

On another note; If your government decided that they are supreme and you have no say then what are you going to do? sit there and obey them.. Poor little feller. Rem, there are no new lands to go to.

I thought all governments felt like that, and that every 5 years we get to vote for another dictatorship.

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Montana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Massachusetts


Above are two states that are widely different. In one state you have Liberals ,feeel good people (mostly all very rich including the Kennedys) that believe gun laws preventing ownership, abortion on demand, big government and so---on should be allowed. Simply look at Detroit and you can see what liberalism does to a city that was once the envy of all. Then take a look a Chicago, who has the strictest gun laws in the land, yet has one of the largest murder rates in the land. Now, who do you suppose controls Chicago. Why Liberals of course!

In the other state above, you have conservatives (those who believe in God, life and country) you decide.

No, I am not going to give you figures but rather leave that to others whom I am sure can stretch or rearrange the truth to get their point(s) across. You can make figures say anything.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Most states do not have a licensing requirement for possession - Hawaii, Illinois , and Massachusetts require one for both rifles and handguns, while New York requires one for handguns but not rifles. Washington DC requires a license for both types, and American territories generally require a license for rifles while barring civilian ownership of handguns entirely.

Some states allow municipalities to create their gun laws, and I'm sure a number of those have created their own licensing requirements as well. I know both Chicago and NYC both take a really dim view of people walking around town with firearms.

By and large, however, you are allowed to own any non-automatic rifle or handgun you want. Even in the states that have licensing requirements, the license is much like a driver's license - it's just a certification that you've gone through firearms and firearm safety training.

Many states allow open carry, and many do not. I believe no state (MAYBE Texas) allows concealed carry without a permit, and driving around with weapons in the car is generally tied to that same permitting. (Meaning that in Texas you can drive with a rifle in the back seat, but God help you in most states if you have a pistol in the glove box and don't have a CCW.)

Thanks for this.
It would appear that gun control is a bigger mess than I thought so while I stand by my ideas I'll give up on what is a hopeless case.

Brian

 

[Frothingslosh]

Thanks for this.
It would appear that gun control is a bigger mess than I thought so while I stand by my ideas I'll give up on what is a hopeless case.

Brian

Probably for the best.

It doesn't help that you also have to deal with folks like Blade. Just look at his posts from today - he makes it patently obvious that that be believes that if you don't agree with him, you obviously are an athiest criminal anarchist trying to tear down society just so you can watch the world burn. This even goes to gun control - obviously, if you want to restrict gun ownership even slightly or make sure violent criminals can't get machine guns, you must be a commie mutant traitor out to disarm the American populace in preparation for the imminent takeover by the New World Order. (Of course, I forget if the NWO is Jews, Muslims, or liberals this week.)

The very idea that you can disagree with him while at the same time desiring to make the world (or even just America) a better place is utterly incomprehensible to him and those like him.