Gun laws do they work

[ConnorGiles]

They (they) are trying to force a nanny state in the USA. We have two more years of this S...T to put up with. Hopefully we will get someone in who does not want to fundamentally change the USA but make it better. That includes leaving the Second amendment alone. And that my friends is on topic for this thread.

You see, I'm not American.

But I thought the Second amendment was having the right to bear arms?

Not Control the arms you have?

So I do think that again WAS off-topic.

 

[Bladerunner]

We tried everything up to but not including 'out of my cold, dead fingers' and we were threatened with prison time. Our Magna Carta (same as your Constitution) says we have the right to bear arms, the monarchy and the government are not supposed to be able to change it but they can, exactly the same as they could change your 2nd amendment, unfortunately.

not without an insurrection!

 

[Bladerunner]

We tried everything up to but not including 'out of my cold, dead fingers' and we were threatened with prison time. Our Magna Carta (same as your Constitution) says we have the right to bear arms, the monarchy and the government are not supposed to be able to change it but they can, exactly the same as they could change your 2nd amendment, unfortunately.

let me address that. It the children. ever since the internet went hot, the kids have thought of nothing else. I say kids, I mean young adults of voting age. They are not old enough to stand for something other than what the colleges (>>>>) professors have taught them so they will fall prey to everything the politicians tell them will make their life better. Back then it was handguns, tomorrow, your longguns and next year, you need a chip in your hand so they know who and where you are at all times. It is coming my friend. Beware!

Take Mr. Connor, he is a young fellow and has high ideas. Oh to be 17-18 again with those ideas and that testosterone? lol... I have got to ask him a few questions this evening that should clear things up, hopefully for him and others his age.

have a good evening.

 

[Bladerunner]

Let me just focus on this point, The rules wouldn't be so high?

Basic mentality checks don't take long at all

How are you going to administer them and how much are they going to cost? Who is going to give the test? (gov. pschs or run of the mill pschs?). What is the threshold going to be for being eligible to own a gun? A Hitler type?(possible), A bugs Bunny Type? (no too wimpy), a Rambo type?,(oops no definitely not this type), a Hollywood type?( only if it is a voluptuous female), A preacher type (certainy not, we do not want someone who is a xxxxxxx man to have a gun). What about a pot smoker?(only the ones who say they don't inhale.), a mafia type? (no not this type, they are too family orientated).), The regular citizen on the street? (perhaps if he accepts the big gov. theory and if XXX is not part of his life.), what about an Atheist? (Most defiantly is a candidate).

My point being is when you start down this slippery slop, there is no stopping.

see you at the next post!

 

[Bladerunner]

Let me just focus on this point, The rules wouldn't be so high?

A wait time / weapon so that you cannot buy say more than one (or be waiting for more than one) at a time. - This is easily attainable but you see any point towards stricter gun control as a sign of us taking your guns away, which is far from the case.

OK, we passed the Psch test, I think?????????.......how long do I wait for my gun? How long must I wait before I can buy another. Does this pertain only to handguns and/or long-guns . If long-guns, what kind? shotguns or rifles, What Calibers, .22 or .30-06 or GA. of Shotgun 12GA. or .410 Ga. How big the magazines, what about the sights, does it have a scope. (for killing of course). WWII vets used pep sites back then so I guess they are ruled out. What kind of arm stock? is it retractable?. does it have a sling? is it camouflaged, does it have a chip in it to tell THEM where it is at at all times. (p.s this would increase the people who have a job--this is good no?).

Mr. Connor, In this area, I can give you questions you have not even thought about that could be played with by a government intent on removing the guns from society so they might rule better and sleep a little easier at night ? Rem. the request you made some time ago.(I am young in age but do not treat me so)? The only reason a government wants to confiscate your guns is because they want full power over you. This I am afraid you are still to young to remember or understand the ramifications of such actions by the Government. Unfortunately, ou were born into a era and a place where men just tell stories of the days when they were free. It could be worse, you could have been born n the middle east.


See you in the next post!

 

[Bladerunner]

Let me just focus on this point, The rules wouldn't be so high?

Also my last point was regular checks to see whether you are storing your weapon and ammunition safely and responsibly, What could you have to lose if your such a model gun owner?You would have access to guns, But would be regularly checked to see if you are sane and responsible enough to be holding that weapon so that you are not a threat to anyone or even yourself.

I only have one main question here because after you get past this question the who, where and what do not really matter. Who in their right mind is going to let the law or gov. or an agency of the law/gov. into their house/home for an inspection to determine if you store or take care of their guns properly, without a legal search warrant. If it has gone this far my friends, you already have No freedom over there except that ones given to you by the government in power. I think China already has dibs on that type of government.

In this country, the USA, Our freedom from government rule is guaranteed at birth. The government over here is for and BY the people. We(Americans) will not sit by for anything less.

 

[Bladerunner]

Authority issues would be the case here Adrian,

When police have given you orders to show your hands , get to the floor etc.. a lot of people would want a reason before hand.

What is the problem for the police officer telling them what the problem is? they have nothing to lose from that, and in most cases would make the person in question get to the ground and show hands etc...

Authority issues being the main concept here, as I know kids are getting bolder and bolder as generations pass. This is leading them to be less scared or intimidated via the police or any other authority figures.

But this is another threads subject

Mr. Connor: How many officers of the law (Bobbies over there?) have been killed in the line of duty. Bet it is less than 179 (2011). So if your law dogs thought it was dangerous enough to wear a gun, then it is dangerous enough to not take anything for granite. Do you have the right to ask the officer (before you get down at their request) what is the problem in order to determine if this is a legal stop or not??

OH, my

 

[Bladerunner]

I don't see why you persist on showing us our gun deaths, when this topic is about gun control and basically keeping your weapons safe and being responsible. NOT ABOUT TAKING THEM AWAY!

It is you and others that are worried about the gun deaths, Just thought it should be spread around.

You still have not learned that a gov. wanting GUN CONTROL, wants to take your weapons from you. WHY???????? for nefarious purposes I can assure you.

You say: "NOT ABOUT TAKING THEM AWAY!", but that is what history tells us happens when you start down that slippery slope.

So, I say, GET OVER IT!. It happened to you in the UK, it is not going to happen here at least in the immediate future. Who knows what is going to happen when I am gone???????LOL ( Well, I know of one that does?)

 

[Bladerunner]

You see, I'm not American.

But I thought the Second amendment was having the right to bear arms?

Not Control the arms you have?

So I do think that again WAS off-topic.

You see Mr. Connor: The right to bear arms is everything. Why would you try to control them if we did not have the right to bear them.? There would be none. that is except in the military and the bad guys hands. and of course the riches body guards, etc. etc,.. etc..........

The Right to Bear Arms amendment found in the United States constitution has every right to be here on this Gun Control Thread. That is unless you leave us out and only talk about gun control for the rest of the world.? When you do that, I will say nothing else except may be hi or have a good day!

 

[Dick7Access]

You see Mr. Connor: The right to bear arms is everything. Why would you try to control them if we did not have the right to bear them.? There would be none. that is except in the military and the bad guys hands. and of course the riches body guards, etc. etc,.. etc..........

The Right to Bear Arms amendment found in the United States constitution has every right to be here on this Gun Control Thread. That is unless you leave us out and only talk about gun control for the rest of the world.? When you do that, I will say nothing else except may be hi or have a good day!

All makes perfect sense to me blade.
It started a lot further back then the liberal profferser that taught the 20 year olds. I went to college on the GI bill back in the late 60's early 70's. Here I am 24 years old with 4 years of militry, working my regular job, and part time as a Cop to support my family, and here is this assistance profferssor in his early 30's teaching a course on US president who has hardly every worked outside of college telling us how bad capitalism is!!! Up until that time I though that most people were consivertative. Live and learn????

 

[Dick7Access]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/05/austin-cop-sure-shot-stopped-crazed-gunman/

Holding the reins of two horses with one hand, Austin Police Sgt. Adam Johnson raised his service pistol and fired a bullseye into the target some 312 feet away.

Now even you anti-gun people doesn't the above story just warm your heart?

 

[Bladerunner]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/05/austin-cop-sure-shot-stopped-crazed-gunman/

Holding the reins of two horses with one hand, Austin Police Sgt. Adam Johnson raised his service pistol and fired a bullseye into the target some 312 feet away.

Now even you anti-gun people doesn't the above story just warm your heart?

yee-haw.......1 for the good guys. While I hunt with a pistol and target practice up to 100yards just in case, a shot like this (free hand) is very hard to make much less him holding two horses with one hand and making the shot with the other.... My hat is off to him.

 

[Brianwarnock]

You see Mr. Connor: The right to bear arms is everything. Why would you try to control them if we did not have the right to bear them.? There would be none. that is except in the military and the bad guys hands. and of course the riches body guards, etc. etc,.. etc..........

The Right to Bear Arms amendment found in the United States constitution has every right to be here on this Gun Control Thread. That is unless you leave us out and only talk about gun control for the rest of the world.? When you do that, I will say nothing else except may be hi or have a good day!

I keep trying to not post but somehow I feel compelled to put finger to keyboard every so often.

I basically agree with Blade here :banghead: Connor not only wants to control guns but what we write on the threads,he's got a lot to learn.

Where I disagree with Blade is that he is back to control equal ban.
We have a right to own a car but what we can do with it is controlled by the traffic laws, these controls do not equate to a ban.

Dick and Blade have such closed minds that they cannot accept a discussion that says " this would be the best scenario but how do we get there"
I think we all agree that the USA is past hope on the subject of gun control.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

Now even you anti-gun people doesn't the above story just warm your heart?

This sums up the problem for this discussion, you see anybody who wants gun control as being anti-gun.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

I'm trying to work out your position on this so forgive me if I have this wrong.

You believe that some legally own guns when they shouldn't but that this belief has no bearing on what the law should rule in this case. Is that right?

You aren't seriously expecting to get an answer are you?

Brian

 

[Frothingslosh]

This sums up the problem for this discussion, you see anybody who wants gun control as being anti-gun.

Brian

This is basically why I bowed out. Every time I try to talk about my stance (eliminate the 3rd party sales 'loophole' in background check requirements but absolutely do NOT start taking legal guns away from people, much less outlawing more guns without far better reason than has been shown to date), those two idiots start raging about me wanting to take everyone's guns away.

You cannot have a discussion when the people with whom you are discussing willfully misconstrue everything you say to match their preconceived notions of (straw-man) liberalism. They have zero interest in actually having a discussion, and are so far into their fantasy lands that they literally cannot comprehend you if what you say doesn't match what Fox News has taught them you are saying.

 

[dan-cat]

You aren't seriously expecting to get an answer are you?

Brian

I'm not quite sure why he gave that personal example of gun abuse. It's a clear exposure of how inane the 'all or nothing' approach is.

 

[Bladerunner]

I keep trying to not post but somehow I feel compelled to put finger to keyboard every so often.

I basically agree with Blade here :banghead: Connor not only wants to control guns but what we write on the threads,he's got a lot to learn.

Where I disagree with Blade is that he is back to control equal ban.
We have a right to own a car but what we can do with it is controlled by the traffic laws, these controls do not equate to a ban.

Dick and Blade have such closed minds that they cannot accept a discussion that says " this would be the best scenario but how do we get there"
I think we all agree that the USA is past hope on the subject of gun control.

Brian

hi Brian.

Know what you mean about the keyboard. Just cannot help myself? lol

Brian, I am not against gun control if you mean background checks, waiting periods, etc. Most states already have that and some states are so harsh that owning a gun is almost non-existent for the ordinary law-abiding citizen. I think that is the key here and it just will not fit the lock. I speaking about the fact the bad guys would have guns (i.e Europe and UK) even if you took them out of every citizens hands.

What I am against is the general feelings here on the thread. If we do this or if we do this, things will all be well and good in the world. Lets get down to specifics, like how big can the magazines need to be, etc. In others words, lets talk nuts and bolts.

I did like the little

icon if yo have to agree with me.

 

[Bladerunner]

This is basically why I bowed out. Every time I try to talk about my stance (eliminate the 3rd party sales 'loophole' in background check requirements but absolutely do NOT start taking legal guns away from people, much less outlawing more guns without far better reason than has been shown to date), those two idiots start raging about me wanting to take everyone's guns away.

You cannot have a discussion when the people with whom you are discussing willfully misconstrue everything you say to match their preconceived notions of (straw-man) liberalism. They have zero interest in actually having a discussion, and are so far into their fantasy lands that they literally cannot comprehend you if what you say doesn't match what Fox News has taught them you are saying.

Good morning Mr. Frothingslosh: If you want to talk nuts and bolts, then would be happy to discuss it with you. Like what actions would lower the gun deaths in Chicago or maybe what would prevent nut cases from getting guns on the street and causing chaos.

Be glad to talk to you about that! Lets be specific please drop the barbs about how the gun-toting people are crazy, uncaring, etc. We have our reasons for owning a gun and the reasons are a varied as a box of rocks. Of, course you have your opinion which will no doubt, from what you have said, is not really that far away from our thinking....Scary huh!....but still in on a different page.

Have a good weekend.\

 

[Bladerunner]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dan-cat
I'm trying to work out your position on this so forgive me if I have this wrong.

You believe that some legally own guns when they shouldn't but that this belief has no bearing on what the law should rule in this case. Is that right?
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Good morning Dan-Cat.........I would have to agree with you here. But how would you fix it? LEts see.... you have a gun permit that requires you to go through training and classes on owning the handgun and the responsibility that comes with it. The background (at least in TN) checks for any felonies, even general problems with the law. Now, if there any smudge on a persons record, from what I am told nullifies that ability for that person to own a gun.

OK, What is needed next Mr. Dan-Cat....... Do you too believe in Psch test and checks every year. What about checks at your home to determine if you gun is stored correctly etc.?

Tell us all what YOU believe should be done with the guns in America.

Have a good weekend