I never have understood this...

[selenau837]

But I would argue that in the state removing organs to give to others you are trying to create the perfect American race, I can't see the difference

See it as you wish. Giving organs to someone who is dying is not creating the perfect race. It is simply saving the life of another.

The criminal took a life of another, and he has the ability to save one, then make it happen.

 

[lmnop7854]

I am simply giving MHO on death penality if it was a perfect system, and a black and white issue.

Ok, sorry, but how can you give an opinion on something that doesn't exist? It isn't a perfect system, and it isn't black and white, and yet you submit an opinion based on, pardon my French, crap.

I can't give an opinion on whether I would like driving a car fueled solely by water, because it doesn't exist. I can't give an opinion on what the world would be like if everyone loved each other, because it doesn't exist. Although an educated guess would say it would be nice.

I gave my opinion based on what is happening today, and that's it. That's all I got. I have a friend who was murdered by her father (along with her mother and her baby girl), and if he hadn't killed himself, I would certainly not want him to be killed because of a momentary lapse of reason. He was a real sweet guy, and we will never know what made him do it. And unfortunately, the judicial system that hands out the death penalty bases it on the crime, not the emotional and pyschological issues behind the crime. This guy would have gotten the death penalty, had he lived, based on his crime.

Like I said before, too many variables, and I cannot justify to my baby that one type of killing is ok, and another is not.

Lisa

 

[Rich]

See it as you wish. Giving organs to someone who is dying is not creating the perfect race. It is simply saving the life of another.

The criminal took a life of another, and he has the ability to save one, then make it happen.

You're not giving here, you're suggesting that the state should have the legal right to take, and not just once.
How about Bush, after all 30,000 innocent people have been murdered because of him and his actions. Do you not see the hypocrisy here?

 

[dan-cat]

Like I said before, too many variables, and I cannot justify to my baby that one type of killing is ok, and another is not.

I was all for the death penalty until somebody close to me said that you should never ask somebody to do something which you wouldn't be prepared to do yourself. From that point on, the death penalty got scratched from my 'ok' list.

 

[KenHigg]

Ok, How about a compromise... If we are going to execute confessed killers, which it appears we are going to do, would it be ok to use thier organs to help offset the cost court costs etc and to help save lives?

 

[Rich]

Ok, How about a compromise... If we are going to execute confessed killers, which it appears we are going to do, would it be ok to use thier organs to help offset the cost court costs etc and to help save lives?

Why stop there? I could argue that I shouldn't pay so much tax because I don't have children at school any more, I don't need the police, I've never called or needed the fire brigade

 

[Rich]

I was all for the death penalty until somebody close to me said that you should never ask somebody to do something which you wouldn't be prepared to do yourself. From that point on, the death penalty got scratched from my 'ok' list.

Just curious, how about asking the wife to have a baby?

 

[KenHigg]

Why stop there? I could argue that I shouldn't pay so much tax because I don't have children at school any more, I don't need the police, I've never called or needed the fire brigade

You have my vote if you run for county commissioner

 

[selenau837]

Ok, sorry, but how can you give an opinion on something that doesn't exist? It isn't a perfect system, and it isn't black and white, and yet you submit an opinion based on, pardon my French, crap.

I can't give an opinion on whether I would like driving a car fueled solely by water, because it doesn't exist. I can't give an opinion on what the world would be like if everyone loved each other, because it doesn't exist. Although an educated guess would say it would be nice.

I gave my opinion based on what is happening today, and that's it. That's all I got. I have a friend who was murdered by her father (along with her mother and her baby girl), and if he hadn't killed himself, I would certainly not want him to be killed because of a momentary lapse of reason. He was a real sweet guy, and we will never know what made him do it. And unfortunately, the judicial system that hands out the death penalty bases it on the crime, not the emotional and pyschological issues behind the crime. This guy would have gotten the death penalty, had he lived, based on his crime.

Like I said before, too many variables, and I cannot justify to my baby that one type of killing is ok, and another is not.

Lisa

Crap eh, well thanks for pointing that out. I have refrained from making those statements to other peoples opinions, but here goes. I feel that it is crap that people take a 'Holy' soapbox stance and not accept the death penalty. I feel that it is crap that our jails are over ran with criminals that can't be placed back into the populous. I feel it is crap that my tax money goes to paying for their educations, watching TV, and working out in gyms, and they can NEVER be a contributing member of society.

Why should I continue to pay for someone who can never be of use to society. I would rather my money go to those who can’t support themselves. Help them become better people, and make a life for themselves.

Most criminals come from low-income families. Why not try and stop the crimes before they happen. Make peoples life a bit better so they don’t turn into criminals. So the money we waste on those in jail is money lost to stop the future criminals.


I'm for the death penality, period, end of story.

Eye for an eye!!

 

[selenau837]

Ok, How about a compromise... If we are going to execute confessed killers, which it appears we are going to do, would it be ok to use thier organs to help offset the cost court costs etc and to help save lives?

I an concied to that idea.

 

[KenHigg]

Ok, Girls - Time out .....

 

[selenau837]

Ok, Girls - Time out .....

*drops head* Yes Sir.

Sorry Lisa....

 

[KenHigg]

*drops head* Yes Sir.

Sorry Lisa....

You're so sweet...

Ok Lisa, Your turn

 

[Rich]

Most criminals come from low-income families. Why not try and stop the crimes before they happen. Make peoples life a bit better so they don’t turn into criminals.

You've just answered the very argument against the death penalty and yet you go on to champion the death penalty, do you not see the dichotomy between the two statements?

 

[dan-cat]

Just curious, how about asking the wife to have a baby?

Now you know the wife has agreed to 'obey', so asking in this case would be wholly inappropriate

 

[dan-cat]

*drops head* Yes Sir.

You see, submission is in their nature, it would be cruel to deny them their instinctual behaviour

 

[Rich]

Now you know the wife has agreed to 'obey', so asking in this case would be wholly inappropriate

Can I write and ask her to confirm this?

 

[selenau837]

You've just answered the very argument against the death penalty and yet you go on to champion the death penalty, do you not see the dichotomy between the two statements?

Ok, so you're saying that the Death penality shouldn't be because society has created these monsters. Since we created them we have to live with it.

I see your point, but I am not changing my view point. You may continue to try and make me see the errors of my ways, but I am a bit head strong on some points.

But you know you luv me anyways. No matter how stuborn I get.

 

[lmnop7854]

You're so sweet...

Ok Lisa, Your turn

Man, Ken, when did you stop being the instigator? I noticed it was you who started this thread. Fence-rider....

Selena - sorry about the "crap" word. You are completely entitled to your opinion. I am just all about logic, and so many things in our world today defy logic. I can't deal with it sometimes!!! But again, people's opinions are not always logical, and I am sure some of mine are not. I truly had no claws out, I was just baiting you. Not that I wasn't serious, but I was sure having fun!! Don't take offense. I meant none.

Now back to Ken - lily-livered peacemaker!! I've seen some of the arguments you and the 'cooler gang have been in!!! This one was pretty tame by comparison!!!

Lisa

 

[Rich]

Ok, so you're saying that the Death penality shouldn't be because society has created these monsters. Since we created them we have to live with it.

No we have to try and change the society that created them in the first place.

As for not changing your mind, don't worry, you're a female, we're used to it