Judicial Tyranny

[Pat Hartman]

We really need constitutional amendments, but we know that will never happen without support of a large chunk of the democrats, so that options is out.

The Convention of States group is plugging along, albeit very slowly. They need 2/3 of the states to sign on to call the convention. The problem is the hype is all negative and is intended to convince voters that an actual convention could overturn the entire Constitution which it can't. But this lie has legs and it refuses to die. Each state legislature has to have the bill brought up for a vote and that takes lots of lobbying of the representatives. Then the vote has to pass. This has been going on for years. I worked with the group for a few years but lobbying stupid people is exhausting.

That leaves the big beautiful bill to save us.

This may be true but this type of thinking is exactly what is wrong with every single bill brought up for a vote. They are all omnibus bills and contain everything including the kitchen sink. NO ONE EVER READS THEM!!!!!!!!!!! They are voting on talking points.

One of the amendments has to be to define some kind of actual punishment if the House doesn't do its damn job and create proper budget bills. Maybe if the house can't do its job, the Speaker and all committee leaders are prevented from standing for reelection. The punishment needs to be real , not this "censure" bullshit.

 

[Isaac]

I am generally speaking in favor of deporting illegals, but if there is a due process that must be followed then they need to be following it.

 

[Steve R.]

Due process depends on both sides following the law. Under the Biden administration, the illegal immigrants were "invited" in by the millions. There was no vetting (due process) being conducted by government. In fact the illegal immigrants were exempt from a lot of requirements, such as Covid restrictions. The Biden administration violated US immigration policy.

Now it is time to deport the illegal immigrants. Those on the left sanctimoniously assert that the law (due process) has to be followed after purposely ignoring it for four years. Legal processes tend to be slow. Moreover, the legal process for deportation is further slowed through judicial delays and appeals. So it may take years to deport an illegal immigrants who simply took five minutes to walk across the border. Now multiply that times X million. There won't be enough judges and/or time to actually deport them. Essentially the left is using the Cloward-Piven Strategy of overwhelming our bureaucracy so that the government collapses. The realpolitik solution unfortunately is to "short-circuit" due process to expedite deportations. So as much as we may want to follow the law in its purist form, reality will force us to "cut corners" especially when one side purposely violated the law to create this humanitarian crises.

A sub issue revolves around the extent of due process. The US does not have the time and/or resources to afford giving millions of illegal immigrants (brought into this country illegally) endless court hearings, endless delays in the process, and endless appeals. Due process, can simply be reduced to an inability to provide proof of citizenship. If none can be presented, then that person is immediately deported.

 

[Steve R.]

The controversy around Abrego Garcia has raised a lot of media discussion. The response by the Trump administration has been great, especially the remarks by Stephen Miller. The pithy summary of Miller: if the media was able to provide these illegal immigrants due process as the media envisions it, no one would ever be deported due to endless unending legal proceedings. As questioned by Trump and Miller, why does the left want to keep illegal immigrants, especially those in gangs, to be kept in the US? That is not rationale.

Trump, officials have tense exchange with CNN reporter over deportation of El Salvadoran national

President Donald Trump took several shots at CNN and reporter Kaitlan Collins on Monday during a tense exchange about Kilmar Abrego Garcia in the Oval Office.

www.foxnews.com

White House advisor Stephen Miller was also tapped in by Trump to respond to Collins, saying it was "very arrogant even for American media to suggest that we would even tell El Salvador how to handle their own citizens." He added that because Trump had declared MS-13 a foreign terrorist outfit, Abrego Garcia was ineligible for immigration relief in the U.S.

Stephen Miller doubles down on deportation of alleged gang member: 'Not mistakenly sent' | Fox News Video

White House deputy chief of staff for policy Stephen Miller discusses the deportation of a Salvadoran national and why he believes pro-Hamas protester Mahmoud Khalil will be deported after a judge gave a green light for his removal.

www.foxnews.com

The videos below are well worth watching:

video steven miller Abrego Garcia at DuckDuckGo

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video steven miller Abrego Garcia at DuckDuckGo

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[The_Doc_Man]

@Steve R. - thanks for the links. I am truly disappointed that reporters can't let go of an issue such as deporting a person who was here illegally, with standing deportation orders, to his country of origin where he IS a "natural-born" citizen thereof. Reporters want courts to conduct foreign policy, but that 9-0 ruling makes it clear. Judges... hands off foreign policy issues.

My only question is whether they will EVER get the message that we need to get rid of the terrorist trash. Yes, we should have some kind of reform on immigration. The policy is old and probably needs updating. But we need to control our borders so that we can phase people in with a more reasonable approach so that we can minimize disruption.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Due process, can simply be reduced to an inability to provide proof of citizenship. If none can be presented, then that person is immediately deported.

Works for me. Especially as they are concentrating on rounding up actual criminals at the moment. Once ICE gets to the rest, we can have expedited hearings. None of this releasing people on their own recognizance. People who are legally here will be able to prove it and everybody else goes home with perhaps a short delay in an ankle bracelet to clear up their affairs here. As time goes on, we should be less lenient rather than more because people who came illegally or overstayed their visas will have had ample opportunity to self deport.

why does the left want to keep illegal immigrants, especially those in gangs, to be kept in the US?

For the same reason they think all death row inmates should be released and any unwanted child can be killed- even in the delivery room. They have completely lost touch with reality. They were on this slippery slope with the criminal element actually being victims for some years but Trump entered the picture and TDS spread like wildfire. The left has now done about faces on pretty much every position they used to hold because they cannot ever take the same side of an argument as Trump. This is a true sickness and will someday end up in the medical books it has been so pronounced.

Yes, we should have some kind of reform on immigration. The policy is old and probably needs updating.

Enforcing existing law goes a long way toward reform. We already take in more permanent immigrants than any other country and we take more than our fair share of refugees from the rest of the world. Plus millions of temporary guest workers. That does NOT mean we should import more Muslims. Sorry. they have been raised to hate us and what we stand for, especially those who call themselves Palestinians. That is why NO Muslim nation will accept them. They are not as stupid as we are and they have been burned multiple times since WWII by opening their arms. Egypt even built its own wall on the other end of Gaza to keep the residents from crossing into Egypt and causing trouble there. Halas!!! as they say in Arabic - always with emphasis. Let the countries who share the same culture and ethnicity take care of the refugees. Not our problem. We didn't break it. We don't have to fix it and you can't guilt me into changing my stand on this one. The Muslims cannot/will not assimilate and will do their level best to get control over our country so they can make it just as bad as the one they escaped from. Islam tells them they must because we are inferior and they believe that to their core.

We should get better control over our guest worker programs and probably expand the numbers. We should also fix the H1b visa program so the tech companies stop cheating and cutting out American workers in favor of the cheap imported labor.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

We should get better control over our guest worker programs and probably expand the numbers. We should also fix the H1b visa program so the tech companies stop cheating and cutting out American workers in favor of the cheap imported labor.

When I said we should update our immigration laws, I didn't offer specifics. I've got no problem at all with what you just proposed.