Liberal kids more likely to avoid challenging their own beliefs

[Isaac]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/26/politics/kids-politics-trump-harris-what-matters/index.html

 

[moke123]

Kids in red states, on the other hand, were more likely to repeat misinformation.

What a surprise.

 

[Isaac]

What a surprise.

What a surprise that the catchphrase misinformation was used with no definitions.
I hereby declare misinformation to be whatever moke says. (just kidding)

 

[Pat Hartman]

What a surprise that the catchphrase misinformation was used with no definitions.

Misinformation is anything the left doesn't like or disagrees with.

I liked the little girl who thought it would b e a good idea to have a black woman as president but she would still vote for Trump

 

[Isaac]

well 90% of the things they call 'misinformation' end up coming true, so i usually pay attention

 

[RogerCooper]

Misinformation is anything the left doesn't like or disagrees with.

I liked the little girl who thought it would b e a good idea to have a black woman as president but she would still vote for Trump

I believe that the right calls information it doesn't like fake news. I remember that you were defending Trump's statement that crime in NYC is at record high. I still would like to see the source of that information.

 

[Pat Hartman]

believe that the right calls information it doesn't like fake news.

No, they call LIES fake news.

I still would like to see the source of that information.

If you wanted to "see" it you could. All the information is out there for you to make your own analysis. Google is highly partisan and it ranks articles based on some hidden agenda which we are not allowed to know. So, the articles you see are the articles that their algorithm decides that you should see. So, your choice is - believe the headlines or analyze the data yourself and make your own determination. Or scroll way down on your search results and eventually you will see dissenting articles which analyze the data for you but in a different way.

To analyze the data yourself requires a certain amount of critical thinking and plain ordinary common sense. Does not prosecuting "minor" crimes lead to more crime or less? Does not reporting "minor" crime warp the statistics? Is it really OK to set a dollar limit on what a thief can walk out of a store with without paying? Who do you think pays for all those stolen items? Do you live in a city where you need a clerk to open a display case to get deodorant for you to buy? Do you live in a city where the corner store has a guard standing at the door because it is cheaper to pay for a guard than to absorb the cost of stolen goods? Is it really OK to allow a person who pushes another down a flight of stairs (video says it wasn't an accident) to walk out without even minimal bail?

You want to "see" the lies the left is telling you because you can't believe what you voted for. This is a result of cognitive dissonance.

 

[Cotswold]

I see the new young liberals at the televised discussion between the Vice Presidential candidates think it is satisfactory to censure them by switching off their microphones.
Is this the new democracy USA style emerging?

 

[RogerCooper]

No, they call LIES fake news.

If you wanted to "see" it you could. All the information is out there for you to make your own analysis. Google is highly partisan and it ranks articles based on some hidden agenda which we are not allowed to know. So, the articles you see are the articles that their algorithm decides that you should see. So, your choice is - believe the headlines or analyze the data yourself and make your own determination. Or scroll way down on your search results and eventually you will see dissenting articles which analyze the data for you but in a different way.

To analyze the data yourself requires a certain amount of critical thinking and plain ordinary common sense. Does not prosecuting "minor" crimes lead to more crime or less? Does not reporting "minor" crime warp the statistics? Is it really OK to set a dollar limit on what a thief can walk out of a store with without paying? Who do you think pays for all those stolen items? Do you live in a city where you need a clerk to open a display case to get deodorant for you to buy? Do you live in a city where the corner store has a guard standing at the door because it is cheaper to pay for a guard than to absorb the cost of stolen goods? Is it really OK to allow a person who pushes another down a flight of stairs (video says it wasn't an accident) to walk out without even minimal bail?

You want to "see" the lies the left is telling you because you can't believe what you voted for. This is a result of cognitive dissonance.

Let me try to parse your statements.

1. You are making a claim that crime is up. Previously you have stated that it in NYC that crime is the highest has ever been.
2. You have provided no source for the statement that crimes is the highest it has ever been. The statistics collected by the NYPD show crime is down tremendously from its peak in 1990.
3. You are hypothesizing that minor crime is not being reported and is up while major crimes are down. A statement like that would require some evidence as opposed to the statement that minor crimes and major crimes follow similar trends.

Don't conflate questions of evidence with questions of policy. The criminal justice system naturally puts more effort into major crimes than minor crimes. However the cumulative effect of minor crimes can be significant. In 1990, Transit Police Commissioner William Bratton cracked down on fare evasion, which caused an immediate reduction in major crimes on the subway. I refer to contemporary stories in newspapers which dealt with the drop in subway crime as evidence. I could find them if you really need the details.

 

[Pat Hartman]

The statistics collected by the NYPD show crime is down tremendously from its peak in 1990.

You do realize that they are not counting crimes that they will not prosecute, right? Did your store loose thousands today to a flash mob? Too bad for you sucker, no crime was committed.

You only "see" the headlines. I told you how to think for yourself. I cannot do it for you. It doesn't matter what links I provide for you, they will never be enough. Been there, done that. Not getting sucked in again.

 

[Isaac]

Plus, as I've said a million times here, "crime is bad" is subjective. How many crimes were committed is NOT the only metric that matters to people. It's where those crimes are being committed, what time of day, how brazenly, and against whom that matter greatly.

If a city previously had crime mostly relegated to in between gangsters in certain bad neighborhoods, but then that crime begins to move to daylight against tourists in the main square or "good" neighborhoods, that's going to be considered "crime getting worse".

No statistic can tell you how bad crime is, it's a personal opinion. Most people think crime is getting worse for many good reasons, the brazenness of smash and grabs, the brazenness and location of crimes, etc. It's subjective, not worth arguing about

 

[RogerCooper]

You do realize that they are not counting crimes that they will not prosecute, right? Did your store loose thousands today to a flash mob? Too bad for you sucker, no crime was committed.

You only "see" the headlines. I told you how to think for yourself. I cannot do it for you. It doesn't matter what links I provide for you, they will never be enough. Been there, done that. Not getting sucked in again.

Crimes not prosecuted are counted. That is how the clearance rate is computed. Can you actually cite a store that was victimized by flash mob, tried to report the crime and was ignored?

By "think for yourself" you seem to mean make things up.

 

[Isaac]

Crimes not prosecuted are counted

Actually many crimes are not even reported. the FBI is in the process of trying to convince local police to report crimes in a new reporting system, which has been lagging in adherence for several years. They have tried to make it easier but are still far, far under 100% reporting

 

[AccessBlaster]

Redefining certain felonies as misdemeanors is a strategy used to reduce the jail population. Smash-and-grab and other property crimes have increased, these crimes are often underreported due to the lack of resources committed to crimes below a dollar threshold $950, in places like California. Crime has been redefined for political purposes.

The left has created a revolving door of crime with no end insight.

 

[RogerCooper]

Actually many crimes are not even reported. the FBI is in the process of trying to convince local police to report crimes in a new reporting system, which has been lagging in adherence for several years. They have tried to make it easier but are still far, far under 100% reporting

That is true, but NYC does report quite thoroughly. Population surveys show some increase in non-reporting since 2020 (due to reduced confidence in the police).

 

[moke123]

You do realize that they are not counting crimes that they will not prosecute, right?

I don't realize that. So are you saying that, for instance, a serial rapist who's raped a dozen victims but doesn't get caught and prosecuted, those crimes don't get counted? How about cases that get Nolle Pros'd or a not guilty? Do they then subtract them? Cases with insufficient evidence or technical defects?

here's a link to the data- Crime Data Explorer

 

[moke123]

but NYC does report quite thoroughly.

You'd be surprised at the data NYPD collects, as well as some other agencies. I can't remember the name of the database but I used to have a contact that had access to it. If you so much as called the police about a barking dog or loud music, your info is in it. Basically any contact with police no matter what it was about or how mundane it may be, it was entered. It didn't have to be crime related to be input.

Edit: The Peeps database. At least that's what we referred to it as.

 

[Pat Hartman]

No, it is crimes they have no intention of prosecuting that they no longer count. And companies don't even report them. If a flash mob trashes your store, you need a police report for your insurance but if one thief at a time takes $950 worth of stuff, they tell the employees to not intervene and just write it off so law abiding citizens get to pay for the theft in higher prices. To them, it is just the cost of doing business. They don't care, they get to raise the prices on other stuff to cover the costs. And if crime goes down, good for them, they get extra profit.

 

[Isaac]

I don't realize that. So are you saying that, for instance, a serial rapist who's raped a dozen victims but doesn't get caught and prosecuted, those crimes don't get counted? How about cases that get Nolle Pros'd or a not guilty? Do they then subtract them? Cases with insufficient evidence or technical defects?

here's a link to the data- Crime Data Explorer

Well according to your own MeToo movement, 70% of rapes don't even get reported.

Exactly how are they counted?

And we are back to perception being an important figure in "how bad" crime is, as stated previously

 

[Isaac]

Redefining certain felonies as misdemeanors is a strategy used to reduce the jail population. Smash-and-grab and other property crimes have increased, these crimes are often underreported due to the lack of resources committed to crimes below a dollar threshold $950, in places like California. Crime has been redefined for political purposes.

The left has created a revolving door of crime with no end insight.

Exactly.

It's like illegal immigration going down because of the CPB parole app - so stupid, we can see through the statistics manipulation.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. "Deep thinkers" on the liberal side traffic in the 3rd category...at best.