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[redneckgeek]

So you'd kill them and be sentenced for first degree murder?

That's the great thing about American freedoms. We are allowed to act in self-defense without fear of going to jail. And thanks to "castle laws" in many states, we don't have to worry about being sued over it, either.

So why have a gun when you're fishing? I can't see the reason, unless it's so dangerous to go out without one. Do you always carry a gun?

I always carry a gun when I am out in the woods. Some parts of the US are still wilderness. You never know when you'll come across an angry bear, wild dog, or a group of idiots on ATVs who want to cause trouble. I'm not saying that where my cabin is at is dangerous - I worry more about critters than people - but better safe than sorry. The big cities are much more dangerous, because only the criminals have guns.

 

[Rich]

The big cities are much more dangerous, because only the criminals have guns.

You have one too

 

[georgedwilkinson]

Legal gun owners in the US don't typically carry them around in a big city. Causes all kinds of problems with the local police. Criminals, on the other hand, carry a goodly number of weapons...whatever they can get their hands on, not necessarily just guns.

 

[Rabbie]

It's easier to get the fish from the supermarket.
Col

And where do you think the supermarkets/chip shops get their fish from?

 

[Rich]

And where do you think the supermarkets/chip shops get their fish from?

Iceland

 

[KenHigg]

None - I'm learning from Ken.


Col

Which basically means you and your question are approximately worthless to him Brian and you can put your question where the sun don't shine

 

[Alc]

Then I'd really be glad I had my gun. Most non-criminals that "carry" know that they are the statiscal favorite if it came down to trading shots - because we typically target practice, where most criminals think they can shoot because they do it in GTA or saw it in a rap-video once.

Not a majority by any means, but quite a few US posters here seem to own guns. Every one of these, apperantly, is a crack shot who practises regularly and always kills with one bullet. Every one seems to store their gun a safe, secure place. Every one derides those gun owners who act irresponsibly.

Given how many needless deaths and injuries are caused by privately owned guns, perhaps the US government should alter the gun licensing process to make the writing of Access code mandatory? After all, it seems that Access developers are far better than average shots and are all perfectly safe when handling weapons.

 

[KenHigg]

Not a majority by any means, but quite a few US posters here seem to own guns. Every one of these, apperantly, is a crack shot who practises regularly and always kills with one bullet. Every one seems to store their gun a safe, secure place. Every one derides those gun owners who act irresponsibly.

Given how many needless deaths and injuries are caused by privately owned guns, perhaps the US government should alter the gun licensing process to make the writing of Access code mandatory? After all, it seems that Access developers are far better than average shots and are all perfectly safe when handling weapons.

And you can get a learners permit or maybe a b-b gun if all you could do is macros

 

[georgedwilkinson]

Given how many needless deaths and injuries are caused by privately owned guns, perhaps the US government should alter the gun licensing process to make the writing of Access code mandatory? After all, it seems that Access developers are far better than average shots and are all perfectly safe when handling weapons.

That's pretty provocative. I don't like being around guns, but if I had to hang out with people with guns, I'd prefer to be with geeks (Access programmers in your scenario) than with good ol' boys who go through 6 packs faster than geeks go through soft drinks and pizza. It just seems safer, somehow.

 

[Alc]

That's pretty provocative. I don't like being around guns, but if I had to hang out with people with guns, I'd prefer to be with geeks (Access programmers in your scenario) than with good ol' boys who go through 6 packs faster than geeks go through soft drinks and pizza. It just seems safer, somehow.

It was a comment on the average gun-owner's post on this forum.

They all seem to claim to be safe. They all seem to claim that they wouldn't dream of seeing an animal suffer - but, hey, luckily, they're all crack shots so this never happens. More than one has also posted about how, had they been around during one of the killing sprees carried out by some lunatic, they would have been able to use their expertise to quickly and safely end things. Since this level of competence and ability clearly isn't the norm, either Access programming attracts superhuman marksmen or at least a few are, shall we say, fibbing.

Plus, the two types you mention aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. I know plenty of people in 'geeky' jobs who are partial to a fight. The lucky difference is that they live in the UK, and so don't have easy access to firearms.

 

[redneckgeek]

Not a majority by any means, but quite a few US posters here seem to own guns. Every one of these, apperantly, is a crack shot who practises regularly and always kills with one bullet. Every one seems to store their gun a safe, secure place. Every one derides those gun owners who act irresponsibly.

I'm far from a "crack shot", and my guns are not kept in a safe. Two of them are always loaded and easy to get to. My children are grown now, but they were taught how to be responsible and safe with guns from an early age -as I was as a child. The people I know with guns are largely the same as me. We don't all run around drinking beer and shooting off into the air.

 

[Alc]

I'm far from a "crack shot",

I can't speak for anyone else who may be a hunter here, but the animals that I shoot never know what hit them.

How do you manage to take out every animal you hunt without their having been aware of it, unless you're a fantastic shot?

 

[redneckgeek]

... More than one has also posted about how, had they been around during one of the killing sprees carried out by some lunatic, they would have been able to use their expertise to quickly and safely end things....

I wasn't here to be involved in any of those threads, but...
The point being made by those people is that at least they'd be willing (and able) to try something other than hiding while watching their coworkers (or schoolmates) get senselessly mowed down. Worst case, they become a distraction to the shooter-which allows others to escape. I've never been in that situation of course, but I'd like to think that I am willing to lay my life on the line in the defense of others - which is really no different than what a policeman or fireman would do. I certainly don't think of myself as John Wayne.

 

[KenHigg]

More than one has also posted about how, had they been around during one of the killing sprees carried out by some lunatic, they would have been able to use their expertise to quickly and safely end things.

I must have missed those posts. Could you reference them - ?

 

[Alc]

I must have missed those posts. Could you reference them - ?

I'm trying to find them.

One was from a guy who clearly sees himself as a Bruce Willis type and made reference to how his training would have allowed him to save those who got shot.

Edit: I can't find the posts I'm thinking of, so - until I do - I withdraw that last comment.

 

[redneckgeek]

How do you manage to take out every animal you hunt without their having been aware of it, unless you're a fantastic shot?

Shooting a deer at less than 75 meters with a rifle is fairly easy - with consistent practice. I won't shoot at anything farther than that, even though I might hit it, because it would likely suffer. Besides, it would cause me to have to track it for an hour or more - and I don't have that kind of energy.

Hitting something with a handgun at 10 meters is amazingly difficult, even with practice.

 

[Alisa]

http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/videos.jhtml?videoId=175029

Here is a funny take on the issue, fast forward to about 2:25 if you don't want to watch the non-handgun related stuff.

 

[Fifty2One]

To quote Prof H.G.Nelson (the world's greatest social commentator)
"Guns should not only be every American's right to carry, it should be MANDATORY!"

Hahahaha that would be an excellent law to pass in the USA - then watch all the hard heads that preach about the right to bare arms take a stand and refuse to carry a gun just to prove a point

I always thought that the right to bare arms meant that you could wear a short sleeve shirt

 

[ColinEssex]

Some parts of the US are still wilderness.

New York, Dallas, Chicago, Georgia, Florida, Los Angeles etc. etc. etc.

Col

 

[ColinEssex]

Which basically means you and your question are approximately worthless to him Brian and you can put your question where the sun don't shine

Are you directing the "sun don't shine" comment to me or Brian?

Actually, it's "sun doesn't shine" the word "don't" is not used in that context - technically it means "do not", so the phrase "sun do not shine" is incorrect grammar (yet again)

Col