NASA Study Indicates Antarctica is Gaining More Ice Than It's Losing - (1 Viewer)

[Mike375]

I mentioned above Bob Brown and all his followers going in petrol/diesel to protest the Adani coal mine. Bob use to be the leader of The Greens.

The trip they made in distance would be like going from the bottom of Florida to New York.

Now these dills are on about the Great Barrier Reef. However, they got a bit of a shock as they were thinking the mine was on the coast. It is 200 miles inland. Let me tell you that any place in Australia that is 200 miles from the coast is in the middle of nowhere

 

[Steve R.]

University dumps professor who found polar bears thriving despite climate change

Ms. Crockford accused officials at the Canadian university of bowing to “outside pressure,” the result of her research showing that polar bear populations are stable and even thriving, not plummeting as a result of shrinking Arctic sea ice, defying claims of the climate change movement.

Marc Morano, author of “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change,” said situations like Ms. Crockford’s have become “all too common in the climate debate.”

“Put it this way: religion, race, evolution, gender, indigenous peoples, nuclear power, polar bears, deforestation. … Any views on these topics that don’t fall in line with the ‘consensus’ are taboo,” Mr. van Kooten said in an email. “Think the extent to which free speech has been banned from campuses across much of the West in the name of political correctness.”

 

[AccessBlaster]

The point is the "Left" controls the narrative, and the schools.

If they want to teach your children the moon walk was faked in a Hollywood studio, then that becomes the new science.

 

[Mike375]

The point is the "Left" controls the narrative, and the schools.

If they want to teach your children the moon walk was faked in a Hollywood studio, then that becomes the new science.

I have thought for a long time that a lot of what happens to day (including windmills and solar panels) relates to massive immigration and from countries where the culture is very different.

In short, the nanny state where everyone loves everyone etc. is create an environment to avoid problems on the street that the immigration would cause.

Even windmills and solar panels have a sort of soft edge less aggressive thing about them than coal fired stuff.

I am a smoker and have a lot to do with the demonising of smoking. It is unreal in Australia. While women smoke it is still very much thought of as male thing. You had the Marlboro Man but never the Marlboro woman. A tobacco in Australia called White Ox is the strongest you can get from an ordinary suburban tobacconist or corner shop. I smoke a tobacco that is similar but much stronger. A few weeks ago I rolled one for a woman neighbour and when she drew back she nearly died However, I found her comment interesting as she said "I thought White Ox was bad but that stuff is a real killer and like White Ox is for men only"

Two large guns/hunting forums I have been on since they started in 1998 let you see changes in younger people. Younger people have grown up with all this bullshit. I mention the gun forums because there is no doubt we shooters tend to be in the red neck department but the younger shooter is quite different, sort of a more pacifist softer creature. If 10 or 15 years ago you posted on a guns forum that you supported same sex marriage you would probably have been banned.

 

[Steve R.]

Example of the hypocrisy of those promoting climate change continue to be exposed. This raises a serious concern. Why should anyone believe the claimed data supporting climate change if those pushing so-called climate change are not willing to adjust their lifestyle in response to that data?

Private flight spending soars in Democratic presidential race

"Topping the spending list was former Vice President Joe Biden, who dropped about $924,000 on private air travel in the period between July 1 and Sept. 30, campaign finance reports show. That’s more than three times as much as the $256,000 he spent in the second quarter."

"The Democratic primary field’s leading progressives, Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), also saw their private air travel spending swell in the three-month fundraising period. Sanders’s spending rose from $18,000 in the second quarter to more than $360,000 in the third. Meanwhile, Warren’s spending jumped from just under $34,000 to more than $132,000".

All the Democratic candidates have endorsed actions to reduce carbon emissions, but then ignore making actual commitments to live by the rules they intend to propose. Essentially, regular citizens would be forced by Democrats should they win to alter their lifestyles to meet environmental goals, but those making the rules would be exempt.

 

[Mike375]

Example of the hypocrisy of those promoting climate change continue to be exposed. This raises a serious concern. Why should anyone believe the claimed data supporting climate change if those pushing so-called climate change are not willing to adjust their lifestyle in response to that data?

Private flight spending soars in Democratic presidential race

All the Democratic candidates have endorsed actions to reduce carbon emissions, but then ignore making actual commitments to live by the rules they intend to propose. Essentially, regular citizens would be forced to alter their lifestyles to meet environmental goals by those making the rules would be exempt.

In a waterfront suburb in Sydney Australia, which is among the most expensive real estate in the world, people who live there support this climate change bullshit AND the rising ocean levels. When I say waterfront, I don't mean ocean views, the ocean is their back yard. one house sold recently I think for 70 or 80 million dollars so the buyer is not concerned about future resale value as he knows any future buyer already knows it is all bullshit.

In other waterfront suburbs where the houses are not as expensive because the suburbs are not as exclusive, the house prices might run from 5 to 15 million so unlike the 50 million stuff will involve a bank loan. The bank lends the same percentage of valuation AND more than suburbs miles from the ocean. Since we are only 11 years away from extinction day you would think the banks would not even lend to buy a waterfront house.

At our last election last May the Labor party was full on about climate change. Yet the leader of the Labor party thought you could fully charge an electric car in about 8 minutes. The deputy leader of the Labor party, a woman, in a radio interview on the highest rating show in Australia, did not knw what percentage of the atmosphere was CO2. Unbelievable. That just tells you the "climate emergency" is all bullshit otherwise she would know the percentage of the atmosphere that was CO2. People diagnosed with a serious health problem very quickly learn as much as they can about that health issue, treatment options etc.

 

[Mike375]

All the Democratic candidates have endorsed actions to reduce carbon emissions, but then ignore making actual commitments to live by the rules they intend to propose. Essentially, regular citizens would be forced by Democrats should they win to alter their lifestyles to meet environmental goals, but those making the rules would be exempt.

And because they know it is all bullshit and just a money deal.

If it was real then they would be leading the way.

If Al Gore actually believed the crap he preaches he would be so scared he would be out there leading the way. Have a house covered in solar panels plus panels in the backyard and front yard and a windmill all of which would run his house and charge his electric car. Cancel all his jet flights and have his meetings via video.

 

[Galaxiom]

Example of the hypocrisy of those promoting climate change continue to be exposed. This raises a serious concern. Why should anyone believe the claimed data supporting climate change if those pushing so-called climate change are not willing to adjust their lifestyle in response to that data?

Hypocrisy and failure to take action by some who are campaigning for change in no way reflects on the quality of the science.

 

[Mike375]

Hypocrisy and failure to take action by some who are campaigning for change in no way reflects on the quality of the science.

Is that the same science Tim Flannery used for his predictions, along with many others.

Is that the same science the scientist used on Q&A and said all the Alan Jones numbers were wrong but forgot he had a previous interview with Alan Jones where he not only agreed with Jones but enhanced what Jones said. Maybe he got on the climate change pay packet.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Hypocrisy and failure to take action by some who are campaigning for change in no way reflects on the quality of the science.

I sense a slight "chink in one's armor."

It must be beyond frustrating to hear the endless blasphemy of ones Religion, it's beyond a mere mortals comprehension.

 

[Steve R.]

Hypocrisy and failure to take action by some who are campaigning for change in no way reflects on the quality of the science.

A very valid point. Nevertheless, you need to ask the question of what constitutes "quality".

Data for example can be selectively organized in a manner to make predetermined conclusions. For example. if the data is limited to analyzing years "x" through "z" the temperature trend would be different then data used for years "y" through "z".

As a subset to the above. The data of climate change is being used to claim that something must be done to "protect" the planet. Really, it is not to "protect" the planet, but to "protect" how the humans use the Earth. Over geologic time, species do come and go as a result of climate change independent of any human use.​

What is "acceptable" data can also be a scientific thorn. For example, data that does not conform with a (favored politically correct) hypothesis may be dismissed.

The conclusions implied by data may change over time as a result of new understandings. For example, the transition from Newtonian Physics to Special Relativity.

The "quality" of data should always be challenged.

Finally, the public (in disgust) may simply dismiss the "quality" of data when when the average person sees a rabid climate activist claiming that they (the average person) must embrace lifestyle changes immediately or the world will come to an end, but these hypocritical advocates go on living as if there is no threat. Advocates are supposed to lead by example. If not, they are frauds and the "quality" of the data becomes meaningless.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Given the known cyclic nature of climate over epoch-level history, it is certain that a climate-level weather prediction made today is highly likely to remain valid over a short term or medium term at best.

Long-term, ... climate is cyclic in a complex multi-layered cycle.

 

[Galaxiom]

Data for example can be selectively organized in a manner to make predetermined conclusions. For example. if the data is limited to analyzing years "x" through "z" the temperature trend would be different then data used for years "y" through "z".

Standard practice for climate science deniers.

 

[Galaxiom]

Long-term, ... climate is cyclic in a complex multi-layered cycle.

Yes. Climate changes follows several well established cyclic patterns that have been determined through computer modelling and the analysis of geological history.

However the current extraordinarily rapid warming is not the result of any known natural pattern but closely follows the projections from a sharp rise in carbon dioxide levels.

 

[Mike375]

Climate change science is a great science to be in because you can be wrong all of the time and it does not matter

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

Interesting article on Exxon hearing...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/23/exxon-climate-crisis-house-democrats-hearing

Sent from Newbury UK

 

[AccessBlaster]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0466-8

Published: 14 October 2019

Global cooling linked to increased glacial carbon storage via changes in Antarctic sea ice

Uh-oh does this mean we are heading for a possible Ice age due to global warming? Should we stock up on seal blubber, just incase?

People are wondering why we are not frying by now, could it be the model has evolved into cooling? Asking for a friend.

 

[isladogs]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0466-8

Uh-oh does this mean we are heading for a possible Ice age due to global warming? Should we stock up on seal blubber, just incase?

People are wondering why we are not frying by now, could it be the model has evolved into cooling? Asking for a friend.

No it doesn't.
The article synopsis appears to be referring to historical variations over the last 2.5 million years.
There is nothing in it related to current or future trends.

You can't extrapolate based on no supporting evidence at all.
However feel free to stockpile seal blubber if it makes you happy.

 

[AccessBlaster]

The last major ice age ended at the end of the Pleistocene era, about 2.5 million years ago, as glaciers have periodically grown and then gotten smaller. Researchers believe that changes to the Earth's orbit may be partly responsible for some of the Earth's cooling, but additional factors have likely played a part, Jensen added.

“The most plausible explanation is that there was some change in how carbon was divided between the atmosphere and the ocean,” Jansen continued. “There’s no shortage of ideas about how this happens, but it’s not quite clear how they all fit together.”

Some people have noted the elliptical orbit as a contributing factor, but it always gets poo pooed. Here you have scientist suggesting it openly.

Also if "there was some change in how carbon was divided between the atmosphere and the ocean" that catastrophe climate change evolved naturally. But if it was to happen now it would be considered man made no?

Please insert elliptical orbit poo poo > "here"

 

[Mike375]

Across the word gov't subsidies for renewable energy is $230 billion so windmills and solar panel are a great business

Being a climate scientist is the best science to be in as you can be wrong all the time year after year and it doe not matter.