OBAMA WINS (at last)

[georgedwilkinson]

I certainly didn't mean it as derogatory.

 

[MSAccessRookie]

What part of "The US Noraid armed the IRA" led you to think I said the US government sent money to the IRA?

Col

Funny you should choose that part of your statement to pick on George about. Below is the original statement from which that statement is being extracted OUT OF CONTEXT. Within context it is easy to see how anyone could make the mistake that George did, but in case you (or anyone else) cannot, I have taken the liberty of giving a brief summation.

Both however were armed to the teeth by the USA.


The US Noraid armed the IRA and the US also armed the Talaban to fight against the Ruskies.

Col

You can not Pick and Choose your quotes out of context. In the ORIGINAL Context of your quote, in the first line, you say

"Both however were armed to the teeth by the USA.", and in the second line you say "The US Noraid armed the IRA and the US also armed the Talaban...".

The US GOVERNMENT was responsible for arming the Taliban (Taleban, Talaban) forces, so therefore the natural assumption for anyone reading this claim was that the US GOVERNMENT was also responsible for arming the IRA, and that Noraid is somehow connected to that government.

For the Record, Noraid is PRIVATELY FUNDED operation run by a small group of citizens with their own political agenda which the majority of citizens in the US do not agree with,

Connecting them in the IRRELEVANT manner that you did is specious at best, and (well, Forum Decorum requires that I leave it at that).

 

[ColinEssex]

therefore the natural assumption for anyone reading this claim was that the US GOVERNMENT was also responsible for arming the IRA, and that Noraid is somehow connected to that government.

Never assume - read posts carefully.

I made it perfectly clear that it was US Noraid that funded the IRA and the US that funded the Tababan.

It's an American trait to misunderstand things. Anyway George has admitted his mistake so case closed.

Col

 

[ColinEssex]

What is more to the point is that on the BBC news last night was McCain at a rally singing a line to the Beach Boys hit "Barbara Anne" but he changed the words to -

"Bomb-bomb-Iran, bomb-bomb-Iran" worse still, the crowd all cheered when he did it.

Is this the man you want as next President?

Why shouldn't Iran have a nuclear weapon? Can someone remind us how many nuclear weapons have been dropped in a war situation and by whom?

Iran say they are developing electricity stations.

Col

 

[dan-cat]

The fact that the IRA seemed to have packed up operations soon after the 'war on terror' commenced suggests that Brits may have something to gripe about.

 

[Rich]

The fact that the IRA seemed to have packed up operations soon after the 'war on terror' commenced suggests that Brits may have something to gripe about.

From where did you glean that piece of incorrect information?

 

[ColinEssex]

The fact that the IRA seemed to have packed up operations soon after the 'war on terror' commenced suggests that Brits may have something to gripe about.

Ever heard of the Good Friday agreement?

Col

 

[ShaneMan]

Iran say they are developing electricity stations.

Col

Yea right! Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

 

[Rich]

Yea right! Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

Yeah it's almost as plausible as America's excuse for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

 

[statsman]

Ever heard of the Good Friday agreement?

Col

Given your feelings on religion, don't you mean good friday?

 

[statsman]

Yeah it's almost as plausible as America's excuse for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

Given the American sabre rattling and the invasions of Afganistan and Iraq, Iran developing nuclear weapons seems a reasonable response (if the word reasonable can be applied to nuclear weapons).
Theres nothing like an A bomb or 2 and the ability to drop them on New York or Washington to shut them up and keep them out of your country.
The problem comes later:
We went to a great deal of trouble and expense to get them. Seems a pity not to nuke sombody.

 

[ColinEssex]

Given your feelings on religion, don't you mean good friday?

No, I was referring to the title of the agreement- therefore it is capitalised.

Col

 

[ColinEssex]

Yea right! Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

Terrible phrase.

Col

 

[ShaneMan]

Terrible phrase.

Col

Good country boy phrase that gets the point across. You and your arrogance can rate it however you want.

 

[Rich]

You and your arrogance

Yes it's equal to the American one

 

[ShaneMan]

Yes it's equal to the American one

My remark is aimed at one person. Your remark twists into a stereotypical remark toward Americans.

 

[Brianwarnock]

The fact that the IRA seemed to have packed up operations soon after the 'war on terror' commenced suggests that Brits may have something to gripe about.

Not sure why Col and Rich are junmping on Dan for this, I read it that maybe once Americans experienced acts of terrorism first hand and declared war on it, they may have put pressure on the IRA or at least its American supporters and this helped any agreement/ cessation of IRA activity, and thus we had had a reason to complain in our earlier posts of american support.

Brian

 

[Rich]

Not sure why Col and Rich are junmping on Dan for this, I read it that maybe once Americans experienced acts of terrorism first hand and declared war on it, they may have put pressure on the IRA or at least its American supporters and this helped any agreement/ cessation of IRA activity, and thus we had had a reason to complain in our earlier posts of american support.

Brian

Sinn Fein has, of course, come in from the cold in recent years. It was de-designated as a foreign terrorist organisation by the US State Department in 1994 after the start of peace efforts in Northern Ireland - a move which allowed its leader, Gerry Adams, to travel to the US.

I don't see any mention of the Bush "war on terror"

 

[Rich]

My remark is aimed at one person. Your remark twists into a stereotypical remark toward Americans.

Well since Bush has many followers, in fact the majority, I have to include them as well don't I?

 

[Alc]

Not sure why Col and Rich are junmping on Dan for this, I read it that maybe once Americans experienced acts of terrorism first hand and declared war on it, they may have put pressure on the IRA or at least its American supporters and this helped any agreement/ cessation of IRA activity, and thus we had had a reason to complain in our earlier posts of american support.
Brian

I read it the same way (there still seem to be a lot on this side of the Atlantic who think terrorism started with the twin towers attack).

I don't believe Gerry Adams ever mentioned it, but it seems a tad coincidental that he suddenly decided it was time to talk peacefully, shortly after Bush had been put in a position where he would look like a hypocrite if he allowed money from US citizens to continue to fund the killing of some of those people he was asking to support him. Amazing what cutting off funding can do to suddenly change someone's viewpoint.