Time for a new Political Debate

[MrsGorilla]

But the numbers are from US sources

Who was it that said "There is the truth, there are lies, and then there are statistics?"

The bottom 1/3 of the US population doesn’t count. Their only desire is to stay ignorant and poor.

If that is how you think of your fellows then i pity you.

Do you not have any problems like this over there?

(P.S. - Yippee! I reached 100 posts... again. )

 

[Rich]

In this case you're history is incorect.

The first one (non-commercial) was used to enrich plutonium. I think that was called Manhattan.

Not so, you know I meant commercial

 

[jsanders]

I see you completely ignored the comment about the American Clipper ships.

This is fun it reminds me of my daddy can beat up your daddy.

 

[Rich]

OK Richard the Lion Heartless,

How about these?

Who flew around the globe first both first and non stop?

pointless

Who first walked on the moon?

pointless

Who built the first sky scraper and about to built the tallest again?

pointless

Who was first to Mars?

the Martians

Where was the first open heart surgery?

South Africa

Where is the world largest ball of yarn?

since Yanks are full of Yarn..........

Who broke the sound barrier?

pointless

Who split the first atom?

Ernest Rutherford whilst living in Britain

 

[Rich]

Richard,

Here's an important one you missed.

Who made the first aircraft carrier?

Japa n

 

[jsanders]

Japa n

Actually the British, The HMS Hermes

 

[jsanders]

But as usual an American was the first to take off from a ship.

 

[Rich]

But as usual an American was the first to take off from a ship.

That was stationary
Commander Charles Samson, RN, became the first airman to take off from a moving warship on May 2, 1912. He took off in a Short S27 from the battleship HMS Hibernia while she steamed at 10.5 knots (19 km/h) during the Royal Fleet Review at Weymouth.

 

[Rich]

Actually the British, The HMS Hermes

wrong again

HMS Ark Royal was the first aircraft carrier. She was originally laid down as a merchant ship, but was converted on the building stocks to be a seaplane carrier. Launched in 1914, she served in the Dardanelles campaign and throughout World War I.

 

[jsanders]

South Africa

Prove it. Cause I thought it was In Hou TX

 

[Rich]

Prove it. Cause I thought it was In Hou TX

ask anyone who the heart pioneer was; Christian Barnard

 

[Rich]

Who was it that said "There is the truth, there are lies, and then there are statistics?"

But TS posted the facts, not the statistics

 

[Mile-O]

Prove it. Cause I thought it was In Hou TX

1967, South African, Christian Barnard

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/christian_barnard.htm

 

[jsanders]

I said open heart surgery not transplant


On September 2, 1952, two University of Minnesota surgeons, Dr. Walton Lillehei and Dr. John Lewis, attempted the first open heart surgery on a five-year-old girl who had been born with a hole in her heart.

 

[jsanders]

That was a double play
Rich and SJ two little English sparrows; one American Eagle.

 

[Bat17]

A similar list of American first achievements would fill up…let me see… oh yeah over 6,000,000 patents filed.

Not quite honest use of statistics here!

Caveat: Patent filing statistics are not a definitive measure of innovation. Patents are sought in the markets which matter to the patentee, not necessarily in the country where the invention was developed:

Peter

 

[Rich]

That was a double play
Rich and SJ two little English sparrows; one American Eagle.

we've clipped your wings so many times, you now look more like an ostrich

 

[Bat17]

An intresting and timely article about American inventors
http://biz.yahoo.com/usat/051206/13263022.html

It doesn't seem unusual to have a foreigner holding so many patents. Of the top 10 living patent holders on the 1997 list, eight were from other countries. Six were Germans, and two were Japanese. The only two Americans were flower guy Weder and oil industry researcher Hartley Owen.

And the 'flower guy Weder'

Weder, who is still alive and whose family runs floral packaging company Highland Supply, has his name on 1,321 patents. Almost all have to do with items you'd find at a florist. Weder's most recent patent - No. 6,962,021, granted Nov. 8 - is for a sleeve for holding a group of flowers. Before that, on Oct. 11, Weder was issued a patent titled, "Method of covering a flower pot." On Sept. 20, he was issued a patent titled, "Method of covering a flower pot or floral grouping."

Watch out interflora!!

Peter

 

[The Stoat]

Who was it that said "There is the truth, there are lies, and then there are statistics?"

Do you not have any problems like this over there?

(P.S. - Yippee! I reached 100 posts... again. )

My statistics were a tongue in cheek rebutal for the previous attempts to prove that America was a superior race by posting the number of Noble prizes awarded. I quite frankly find it hilarious that people actually think that one country's people are better than anothers. Our political systems may reward our endeavors in different ways but a human is a human.

And that is why i feel pity for J and for anyone who writes off 1/3 of their countrymen. Once you objectify people it becomes so easy to see them as a problem with a final solution. Every country has it's problems but not every man or every country feels the need to vilify those people with them. Based on J's statement and your follow-up "Do you not have any problems like this over there?" what i see is someone who believes that people = problem. I would suggest that people = solution. If the truth is your culture promotes

hard work and genius more than any other, we will continue to have major problems and we will continue to solve them

then how come 1/3 of those in that culture are not valid. Before you suggest that they have stepped outside of the culture or refuse to participate i would suggest that that is simply another failing of the culture. If your culture cannot excite people to better themselves then how can you look down upon those cultures that do?

TS

 

[jsanders]

The problem with this discussion is you are trying to compare the US based on a paradigm that exists in Britain.

A much more accurate view would be to compare the US with Europe not Great Britain. So why don’t you guys take your tax money and fix the unemployment problem in France?

Or maybe you should fix what ever ails Turkey I’m sure you guys could straighten them out.

It’s easy to condemn us from your place on a small mostly monogenetic island. We are spread out over a huge geographical area. And what ya’ll continue to misunderstand is; we are a nation of states.

We do not have a central culture.


I think most of the British guys that post on this site actually have no idea what life is like here. You continuously try to lump us into a group. There is no group America. It’s an amalgamation of people from all over the world.