Trump Administration Predictions (1 Viewer)

[The_Doc_Man]

Good qualifications, but they are still not actual judges. An actual judge ruled for Abrego-Garcia and stayed the deportation order.

Yeah... about that:

 

[Isaac]

I think we should go back 300 years and relitigate every decision ever made. And if even one person objects, we should start over and keep relitigating the past 300 years until we get everything absolutely right by all standards.

I see your point, but it's no excuse for barreling 90 miles an hour in the opposite direction. Pick up the safe cases that there will be no reasonable or widespread dispute over (most likely), rather than cruising Chicago or Denver looking for every punk-looking immigrant with a flat brimmed cap.
(And I say that quite generously - I myself tend to take a very dim opinion of most people with flat brimmed caps! But this is serious business, removing someone from a country permanently and putting them in a foreign country's prison with an aww shucks, he may or may not have really been actively in a gang). In fact the ramifications for the person seem more serious than our usual concern about US criminal sanctions.

PS. In real life criminal sanctions situations, they DO go back and re-litigate things like advancements in DNA testing revealing mistakes. And they will go back 300 years to even make posthumous pardons. Being sent to a prison in El Salvador for life certainly qualifies as much as those cases do.

 

[Isaac]

It's been happening all over. Google it.

We just had 2 brothers who were arrested dropping the kids off at school. They were held for almost a month. One of them was here legally and was just released the other day.

American citizens keep getting ensnared in Trump’s immigration crackdown

Nineteen-year-old Jose Hermosillo, whose family says he was held in ICE detention for 10 days, is just the latest such example.

www.msnbc.com

And you wonder why democrats have been screaming about due process.

Always wanting to be precise with my words :: I have no way of magically or supernaturally KNOWING for sure to what extent it happened before and to what extent the increase is now, B/c you would have to practically be God, and I do know reports about an issue will increase based on what the liberal narrative is thus the media seeks them out.............But I can make an educated guess that it IS an increase, and maybe is enough to worry about, and not cool.

Most people who know me think I couldn't be persuaded to leave the Republicans if I were being burned at the stake. But dealing fairly with immigration is an exception, my wife is from Mexico and frankly has only been treated better than some because she is almost as white as me. However, literally just the black hair and accent will result, for example, in different TSA experiences.....again, Not Cool !

Just the way stodgy white people in Missouri treated her during our brief adventure living there was enough to make me super upset.
I can see myself turning if pushed hard enough, probably not enough to keep from voting Republican for other reasons, but enough to make me actively let people know the person in charge was an idiot and needed to be primaried.

 

[Isaac]

If that's the case, we may as well give up on enforcement. It's essentially a one-way system without any recourse. They flood in and then it takes a life time of litigation to remove them.

Also, I think we could make some common sense delineations.

If you get picked up running across a piece of land within 1 mile of the border without documents, you may be detained until your situation is resolved. If you're already on the streets of a city 1000 miles away and don't have your green card with you, you should be treated differently--after all, if people who admitted they were illegal got released with a court date, Exactly why should people who say they AREN'T illegal not be given just as much deference?

The way things are going now just doesn't make sense. People whose claims to legal status end up being validated should even be possibly given some kind of compensation. Being detained away from your 5 yr old child and husband for a month is not a small thing.

You're comments read like it is all or nothing, I think a thoughtful approach could yield a lot of reasonable rules and delineations.

 

[AccessBlaster]

You're comments read like it is all or nothing, I think a thoughtful approach could yield a lot of reasonable rules and delineations.

It used to be that people found to be in the country illegally could be deported at will. Now, it seems the magic word is 'due process.' I'm not against due process what I'm against is people pretending to care about it for political expedience.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

It is not the "due process" laws per se, it is the asylum laws that lead to the complex situations. I am not without compassion for people in tough situations, but there has to be a recognition that if you don't fix your own messes in your own country, we cannot help you much. You have to work to make a living anywhere that you live in this world. The nature of the work might differ from place to place, but sloth leads to starvation. Worse, the gangs that you fled are ALSO coming here and when they look for folks who will be easy prey, want to guess the most likely targets? It is merely another case of kicking the can down the road rather than picking it up and properly disposing of it.

 

[RogerCooper]

It is not the "due process" laws per se, it is the asylum laws that lead to the complex situations. I am not without compassion for people in tough situations, but there has to be a recognition that if you don't fix your own messes in your own country, we cannot help you much. You have to work to make a living anywhere that you live in this world. The nature of the work might differ from place to place, but sloth leads to starvation. Worse, the gangs that you fled are ALSO coming here and when they look for folks who will be easy prey, want to guess the most likely targets? It is merely another case of kicking the can down the road rather than picking it up and properly disposing of it.

It is worth mentioning that MS13 is an American gang that spread to El Salvador through deportations.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

It is worth mentioning that MS13 is an American gang that spread to El Salvador through deportations.

Doesn't change their terrorist status declaration. The only real problem is that the USA citizens who are MS-13 members currently can't be deported (despite rumblings to the contrary.) But let's be honest here. I supported Trump because of the alternatives. Because of his abrasive style, I would have preferred a less controversial candidate - but what we had for the conservative side was Trump. And I could not vote for either of the people who would have been his opposition.

Before the bait-and-switch, it was sleepy Joe Biden, who melted down in a VERY public debate. I remember how my mother acted when she was in the throes of 2nd-stage Alzheimer's Disease. I'm not making a specific diagnosis because I'm not a gerontologist, but his shambling behavior, rambling speech, and "absent" affect were all too familiar. I wish the man no ills that he doesn't already have, but there was no point in voting for someone who would be out of office almost immediately due to health reasons. Not to mention that his tendency to give away taxpayer money and order DEI hiring isn't what this country needs.

After the bait-and-switch, it was Harris the cackle jackal, who in a VERY public interview couldn't find a way to distance herself from her 2020 running mate because - as far as I have seen to date - she doesn't have an original thought in her head. Again, I wish her no ill, and maybe it would be good for her to run for California governor. The results would be good either way, because if she wins, CA will eventually crumble under its own weight, and if she loses, her political future is clearly laid out - as a two-time loser. But I couldn't vote for Kamala as president.

What I think would be great would be to FORCE the two big parties to split more or less equally and to forbid any one party from having more than 33% of the votes, but to still require majority or super-majority margins for legislation. Then in order to get something done, there would HAVE to be compromises. Right now, the dichotomous Congress is in "it's either them or us" mode, which cannot help the country long-term. With some level of compromise, even if forced, there CAN be a win-win situation. With a dichotomous zero-sum game, you have a winner and a loser - and by extension, a large pool of people who were on the losing side.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

It is worth mentioning that MS13 is an American gang that spread to El Salvador through deportations.

Doesn't change their terrorist status declaration. The only real problem is that the USA citizens who are MS-13 members currently can't be deported (despite rumblings to the contrary.) But let's be honest here. I supported Trump because of the alternatives. Because of his abrasive style, I would have preferred a less controversial candidate - but what we had for the conservative side was Trump. And I could not vote for either of the people who would have been his opposition.

Before the bait-and-switch, it was sleepy Joe Biden, who melted down in a VERY public debate. I remember how my mother acted when she was in the throes of 2nd-stage Alzheimer's Disease. I'm not making a specific diagnosis because I'm not a gerontologist, but his shambling behavior, rambling speech, and "absent" affect were all too familiar. I wish the man no ills that he doesn't already have, but there was no point in voting for someone who would be out of office almost immediately due to health reasons. Not to mention that his tendency to give away taxpayer money and order DEI hiring isn't what this country needs.

After the bait-and-switch, it was Harris the cackle jackal, who in a VERY public interview couldn't find a way to distance herself from her 2020 running mate because - as far as I have seen to date - she doesn't have an original thought in her head. Again, I wish her no ill, and maybe it would be good for her to run for California governor. The results would be good either way, because if she wins, CA will eventually crumble under its own weight, and if she loses, her political future is clearly laid out - as a two-time loser. But I couldn't vote for Kamala as president.

What I think would be great would be to FORCE the two big parties to split more or less equally and to forbid any one party from having more than 33% of the votes, but to still require majority or super-majority margins for legislation. Then in order to get something done, there would HAVE to be compromises. Right now, the dichotomous Congress is in "it's either them or us" mode, which cannot help the country long-term. With some level of compromise, even if forced, there CAN be a win-win situation. With a dichotomous zero-sum game, you have a winner and a loser - and by extension, a large pool of people who were on the losing side.

 

[RogerCooper]

Doesn't change their terrorist status declaration. The only real problem is that the USA citizens who are MS-13 members currently can't be deported (despite rumblings to the contrary.) But let's be honest here. I supported Trump because of the alternatives. Because of his abrasive style, I would have preferred a less controversial candidate - but what we had for the conservative side was Trump. And I could not vote for either of the people who would have been his opposition.

Before the bait-and-switch, it was sleepy Joe Biden, who melted down in a VERY public debate. I remember how my mother acted when she was in the throes of 2nd-stage Alzheimer's Disease. I'm not making a specific diagnosis because I'm not a gerontologist, but his shambling behavior, rambling speech, and "absent" affect were all too familiar. I wish the man no ills that he doesn't already have, but there was no point in voting for someone who would be out of office almost immediately due to health reasons. Not to mention that his tendency to give away taxpayer money and order DEI hiring isn't what this country needs.

After the bait-and-switch, it was Harris the cackle jackal, who in a VERY public interview couldn't find a way to distance herself from her 2020 running mate because - as far as I have seen to date - she doesn't have an original thought in her head. Again, I wish her no ill, and maybe it would be good for her to run for California governor. The results would be good either way, because if she wins, CA will eventually crumble under its own weight, and if she loses, her political future is clearly laid out - as a two-time loser. But I couldn't vote for Kamala as president.

What I think would be great would be to FORCE the two big parties to split more or less equally and to forbid any one party from having more than 33% of the votes, but to still require majority or super-majority margins for legislation. Then in order to get something done, there would HAVE to be compromises. Right now, the dichotomous Congress is in "it's either them or us" mode, which cannot help the country long-term. With some level of compromise, even if forced, there CAN be a win-win situation. With a dichotomous zero-sum game, you have a winner and a loser - and by extension, a large pool of people who were on the losing side.

In the US to get something done, you need the President, a majority of the House and 60 votes in the Senate, so there needs to be compromises for actual legislation.

Did you vote for Nikki Haley in the Republican primary? Why do you define Trump as a "conservative"? With his opposition to free markets and disdain for the rule of law, he seems more like a "leftist".

 

[AccessBlaster]

It is worth mentioning that MS13 is an American gang that spread to El Salvador through deportations.

Let's unpack this: illegal immigrants from El Salvador formed an international gang in the US, and when they were deported back, they infected their own society? Sounds about right.

 

[RogerCooper]

Let's unpack this: illegal immigrants from El Salvador formed an international gang in the US, and when they were deported back, they infected their own society? Sounds about right.

It started by protecting Salvadoran immigrants from other gangs in LA. It then moved on to protection rackets. Deported members in El Salvador (not generally illegals) became more violent.

 

[AccessBlaster]

It started by protecting Salvadoran immigrants from other gangs in LA. It then moved on to protection rackets. Deported members in El Salvador (not generally illegals) became more violent.

I can only hope liberals see this as another 'winning' issue and run with it, another 80-20 loser.

 

[Isaac]

I won't pretend to be an expert on the constitutional requirements, if any, for illegals. I realize that whether a person who isn't even here legally has full or any Constitutional rights is a hotly debated question of its own, I just don't want this to turn into what it already has begun to turn into - legal status people being harassed and detained. One thing I do know, if you have a green card or US citizenship, you definitely have certain rights. Being detained for weeks at a time isn't one of them. Also guilt by association is a terrible road to go down and the whole 'affiliated with a gang' is a quagmire of opinion and subjectivity, honestly I should have saw that coming. There will be the obviously affiliated cases and the obviously not affiliated cases, it's all the stuff in the middle that Trump is going to use to justify whatever he wants to do that I'm worried about.

This is a very important thing. It's not a "get it 80% right" type of thing, the ramifications for some of these people being deported are worse than the ramifications of the entire US criminal justice system. It's very important to get it right.

It didn't used to be an issue because we weren't rounding them up quite like this, now it is an issue because now it is an issue.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I won't pretend to be an expert on the constitutional requirements, if any, for illegals. I realize that whether a person who isn't even here legally has full or any Constitutional rights is a hotly debated question of its own, I just don't want this to turn into what it already has begun to turn into - legal status people being harassed and detained. One thing I do know, if you have a green card or US citizenship, you definitely have certain rights. Being detained for weeks at a time isn't one of them. Also guilt by association is a terrible road to go down and the whole 'affiliated with a gang' is a quagmire of opinion and subjectivity, honestly I should have saw that coming. There will be the obviously affiliated cases and the obviously not affiliated cases, it's all the stuff in the middle that Trump is going to use to justify whatever he wants to do that I'm worried about.

This is a very important thing. It's not a "get it 80% right" type of thing, the ramifications for some of these people being deported are worse than the ramifications of the entire US criminal justice system. It's very important to get it right.

It didn't used to be an issue because we weren't rounding them up quite like this, now it is an issue because now it is an issue.

I certainly sympathize with your position regarding innocent people caught in the middle. But this latest immigration fiasco didn’t happen in a vacuum. Democrats intentionally created the border crisis for political gain, which has now led to innocent people being scrutinized. Trump wouldn’t have the support or the mandate if they had just chilled.

 

[Isaac]

In that specifically, yeah, you're not wrong ...

 

[Thales750]

I can only hope liberals see this as another 'winning' issue and run with it, another 80-20 loser.

Wow. you guys are so used to getting elected by the Dems losing. What a concept to have candidates that could actually win on merit.
MAGA, the race to the bottom.

 

[Thales750]

Elect an Idiot Liar, this is cost.

Poll delivers Trump bad news on economy

Trump won the election in part due to frustration with inflation and his promise to lead the U.S. into a new age of growth.

www.newsweek.com

 

[AccessBlaster]

Wow. you guys are so used to getting elected by the Dems losing. What a concept to have candidates that could actually win on merit.
MAGA, the race to the bottom.

Trump connects with the working man, everyone from construction workers to small business owners. Democrats, on the other hand, show disdain for the working class and have taken them for granted. This is reflected clearly in the last election.