TRUMP and Project 2025

[Pat Hartman]

Silly liberals wreck everything they touch including fast food.

Poor people can't afford fast food any more.

But did you realize that 80% of all capitalist ventures fail within 5 years of starting?

I would guess that much of that is caused by the overhead caused by excessive regulation. Established corporations have the infrastructure and cash flow and benefit whenever a small, hungry competitor gets crushed and has to give up.

I prefer to say tomato sauce, but each to their own.

That's fine but if you order your groceries to be delivered, you'll get the wrong item since the words are not interchangeable, probably even in the UK and definitely not in the US.

Pat, the only things you know about Illegal Aliens are what you learn from your "news" sources. There is a whole other world of information that you are completely unwilling to listen to. Tomato sauce comes in a can. It is just tomatoes and it has no seasoning. You use it whenever you don't have time to make a dish that requires concentrated tomatoes and you don't have hours to make tomato sauce. ketchup is a condiment. It is put on hamburgers, hot dogs, and french fries. Or if you're a guy, pretty much anything. It is filled with sugar and salt as well as spices. It comes in a bottle if you buy it in the grocery store or in plastic packets which are virtually impossible to open if you get it at the fast food place.

Like what? Some of them are nice people? OK. They're still criminals and they are costing the tax paying citizens who are being forced at gunpoint to support them billions of dollars every year. On top of that, they are driving down wages and putting Americans out of work. Does that make you feel moral and virtuous? How many have you personally adopted? Does it make you feel moral and virtuous that you can force me to pay for your generosity with my money? I always refer to it as my money because it is personal. You and your ilk are forcing me to pay to support criminals. If you are so moral, just go find a few and take them into your home and support them for 8 years until they can get a hearing on their "asylum" case. THAT would be moral. It would be you doing a good thing for some poor unfortunate people. Just be careful to not take in any military age males from countries that hate us. Stealing money from me is not moral.

 

[Thales750]

Like what? Some of them are nice people? OK. They're still criminals and they are costing the tax paying citizens who are being forced at gunpoint to support them billions of dollars every year. On top of that, they are driving down wages and putting Americans out of work. Does that make you feel moral and virtuous? How many have you personally adopted? Does it make you feel moral and virtuous that you can force me to pay for your generosity with my money? I always refer to it as my money because it is personal. You and your ilk are forcing me to pay to support criminals. If you are so moral, just go find a few and take them into your home and support them for 8 years until they can get a hearing on their "asylum" case. THAT would be moral. It would be you doing a good thing for some poor unfortunate people. Just be careful to not take in any military age males from countries that hate us. Stealing money from me is not moral.

Like pretty much everything you just said is complete nonsense.

Isn't there even one subject that you know nothing at all about, and would willing to admit it? I have been in the construction business since the 1980s. I know thousands of south of the border workers, some illegal, some with green cards.

You know nothing, this is one area where you truly need an epiphany. It's like everything you think you know is wrong. I would here for months trying help you unlearn all of the nonsense you regurgitate from the AM Rush Hour Brainwashing Squad.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Like pretty much everything you just said is complete nonsense.

Ok. Who is paying to feed them? Who is paying to house them? Who is paying for their medical treatment? Who is paying for their air flights - which they can board with NO PHOTO ID I might add. Try that as a "citizen". Who is paying to educate their children? Who is harmed when criminal employers hire them under the table? Do a little research into what happened to the salary of butchers in the meatpacking industry when those companies went to mostly illegal alien employees? What happened to the wages of low skilled workers in the building industry? Sure didn't help to lower the price of new houses so someone was making out.

It is immoral to allow people to enter this country illegally only to be treated as slaves. It is also immoral to impose the burden to support them on tax paying citizens. And as we know, when slaves are available, wages for citizens fall correspondingly. And that is yet another immoral outcome.

Child labor probe spreads to meatpacking, produce firms in 11 states

A federal investigation into Guatemalan children working in the U.S. in violation of child labor laws has expanded to include firms across the country, from Virginia to Colorado.

www.nbcnews.com

Employers Exploit Unauthorized Immigrants to Keep Wages Low - NYTimes.com

www.nytimes.com

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/gborjas/files/labourecon2020.pdf

https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/docs/IllegImmig_10-14-10_430pm.pdf

What Explains the Wages of Undocumented Workers? | Econofact

Individuals lacking legal status face obstacles that limit their job options and lower their productivity.

econofact.org

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

 

[Isaac]

Just the one simple thing of refusing to continue Trump's border wall is enough not to vote for Biden.
Make a decent, high tech wall around the country, then pump some money into hiring enough people to patrol it and maintain the improvements that doubtless will be found needed as its weak points are assessed in real time. Stop flying people into the country using the border patrol asylum app. Our country is full enough. All we need is a small number of legal immigrants to keep our pot about as melting as need be. An even smaller number of legitimate asylum claims, not just everyone who now claims asylum (kind of like everything your boss asks you for is Expedited).
Not millions coming in in total chaos.

 

[Thales750]

Ok. Who is paying to feed them? Who is paying to house them? Who is paying for their medical treatment? Who is paying for their air flights - which they can board with NO PHOTO ID I might add. Try that as a "citizen". Who is paying to educate their children? Who is harmed when criminal employers hire them under the table? Do a little research into what happened to the salary of butchers in the meatpacking industry when those companies went to mostly illegal alien employees? What happened to the wages of low skilled workers in the building industry? Sure didn't help to lower the price of new houses so someone was making out.

It is immoral to allow people to enter this country illegally only to be treated as slaves. It is also immoral to impose the burden to support them on tax paying citizens. And as we know, when slaves are available, wages for citizens fall correspondingly. And that is yet another immoral outcome.

Child labor probe spreads to meatpacking, produce firms in 11 states

A federal investigation into Guatemalan children working in the U.S. in violation of child labor laws has expanded to include firms across the country, from Virginia to Colorado.

www.nbcnews.com

Employers Exploit Unauthorized Immigrants to Keep Wages Low - NYTimes.com

www.nytimes.com

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/gborjas/files/labourecon2020.pdf

https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/docs/IllegImmig_10-14-10_430pm.pdf

What Explains the Wages of Undocumented Workers? | Econofact

Individuals lacking legal status face obstacles that limit their job options and lower their productivity.

econofact.org

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

A hand full of anecdotal stories out of the 15 million or so workers and their families building the houses that people live in.
Like I said, you only know what the brainwashers want you to know.

 

[Thales750]

Just the one simple thing of refusing to continue Trump's border wall is enough not to vote for Biden.
Make a decent, high tech wall around the country, then pump some money into hiring enough people to patrol it and maintain the improvements that doubtless will be found needed as its weak points are assessed in real time. Stop flying people into the country using the border patrol asylum app. Our country is full enough. All we need is a small number of legal immigrants to keep our pot about as melting as need be. An even smaller number of legitimate asylum claims, not just everyone who now claims asylum (kind of like everything your boss asks you for is Expedited).
Not millions coming in in total chaos.

This could have been fixed years ago. You have to understand, no one in Washington wants to fix it. it's a great fear based voting pretend-plank in a completely fictional platform.

The economy needs those people. Unlike what Pat thinks, they are not driving down wages, and they are paying taxes, and their contributions are worth hundreds of billions.

The way to fix it is simple, and it would immediately generate revenue instead of costing billions, and at the same time, helping to get an insane New York conman elected president. But no one want's that. When I say no one, I mean the people with the real power...

The Financial Sector. The alpha (winner take all) predators in the capitalist Game of Hunger.

 

[ColinEssex]

In the UK, chopped tomatoes come in a tin and you use them in cooking like bolognaise. Tomato sauce comes in a glass bottle or plastic bottle and you put it on your egg and chips. Tomato sauce is found in the sauce aisle of the supermarket, along with brown sauce or barbecue sauce etc. Tomato sauce is a condiment. Chopped tomatoes are a cooking ingredient. Tomato sauce can also be known as tomato ketchup.
Col

 

[Isaac]

This could have been fixed years ago. You have to understand, no one in Washington wants to fix it. it's a great fear based voting pretend-plank in a completely fictional platform.

The economy needs those people. Unlike what Pat thinks, they are not driving down wages, and they are paying taxes, and their contributions are worth hundreds of billions.

The way to fix it is simple, and it would immediately generate revenue instead of costing billions, and at the same time, helping to get an insane New York conman elected president. But no one want's that. When I say no one, I mean the people with the real power...

The Financial Sector. The alpha (winner take all) predators in the capitalist Game of Hunger.

They need some of those people, yes. And I agree it should have been fixed a long time ago. Some, but not "unlimited"

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I would guess that much of that is caused by the overhead caused by excessive regulation. Established corporations have the infrastructure and cash flow and benefit whenever a small, hungry competitor gets crushed and has to give up.

(This is the followup to my comment about failure rates of startup companies.)

Pat, that 80% failure within 5 years is actually not due to regulation, but other expenses that exceed the entrepreneur's cash flow estimates. Business startups take huge capital outlays to buy a venue, hire staff, get a gazillion kinds of insurance, and the under-funded businesses eventually have to choose which kind of insurance they DON'T buy because they can't afford them all. There is the startup loan that is the perpetual hand reaching into your wallet. And it's all a balancing act until you can pay down some of the loans well enough to improve cash flow for the longer term loans.

My previous comment is actually an old statistic. I looked up a few modern sources. One source says first-year startups now fail at 90%. Another says that the success rate might be as high as 18% (2% lower than the 20% success rate it used to be = 82% failure rate.) A third source quotes 70% failure in 5 years. The numbers are all over the place, but in general a LOT more businesses fail than those that succeed. The failures include poor market pre-research, failure to fulfill a need, poor business planning, failure to obtain adequate funding, and a couple of other "gotcha" items.

People don't understand why capitalism is so expensive, but the answer is that the failures represent money that was used for one thing and could not be used for another at the same time. The failure costs cannot be fully recovered. Only the successful businesses can pay back loans. Where does the money go? On the biggest gambling casino in existence - the new business market. And it is truly a craps shoot.

 

[Pat Hartman]

A hand full of anecdotal stories out of the 15 million or so workers and their families building the houses that people live in.
Like I said, you only know what the brainwashers want you to know.

You know that story about teaching a pig to fly?

 

[Thales750]

You know that story about teaching a pig to fly?

That statement was not demeaning or a personal insult?
You can't continue to throw out insults and get away with it because people agree with your ideology.

I'm not bothered by your insults, I merely point it out because they are relentless, and make sure everyone see my retorts including the ones you take out of context.

 

[Pat Hartman]

That statement was not demeaning or a personal insult?

No, it was a reminder to myself that you just can't have an actual conversation with some people so why try. Your persistence in calling me names is tiresome. If you have nothing else, I'll be exiting stage left.

 

[Isaac]

Pat, that 80% failure within 5 years is actually not due to regulation, but other expenses that exceed the entrepreneur's cash flow estimates. Business startups take huge capital outlays to buy a venue, hire staff, get a gazillion kinds of insurance,

.... and follow such a myriad of expensive regulations that it suffocates many small businesses.

I'd say your blanket statement that it's not due to regulation is a bit too blanket.

They just passed a "tamale law" in Arizona to sort of enable the people who do stuff like selling tamales on the side of the road - make them more exempt from the stringent and extensive foodservice regulations.

The people who passed the law would disagree with you; they'd say removing these regulations helped a lot of small businesses

 

[Thales750]

.... and follow such a myriad of expensive regulations that it suffocates many small businesses.

I'd say your blanket statement that it's not due to regulation is a bit too blanket.

They just passed a "tamale law" in Arizona to sort of enable the people who do stuff like selling tamales on the side of the road - make them more exempt from the stringent and extensive foodservice regulations.

The people who passed the law would disagree with you; they'd say removing these regulations helped a lot of small businesses

Of course it does.
But, that is not what this national conservative propaganda fiasco is about at all. It's about lowering the cost, and employment requirements, for large companies that kill people and destroy lives indiscriminately.
Why do you suppose Chevron was in the name of the Supreme Court ruling and not Mamma Ramirez' Road Side Taqueria?

This is not about enchiladas, it's about the crown letting us eat cake, and for our trouble, poisoning the water supply.

 

[Mike Krailo]

Totally twisted thinking Thales, your ability to project death in fictional scenarios is astounding.

 

[Isaac]

But, that is not what this national conservative propaganda fiasco is about at all

Well .. I beg to differ. My conservative philosophy, speaking for myself, is less suffocating regulations for all.
When it helps small businesses, that helps my country. When it helps large businesses, that helps us as in we all have jobs there, or most of us do.
Obviously some oversight is needed - it's a question of degree, it's a question of extent.

I'll tell you why Chevron was the name, and not the taqueria - because Chevron had the money to take their case up high.
Mama did not - and THAT'S exactly why big regulation is tough for small businsses to stomach.

 

[Isaac]

now for the love of God, someone answer my SQL server question.
j/k

 

[Thales750]

Totally twisted thinking Thales, your ability to project death in fictional scenarios is astounding.

You're old enough to remember Regan autherizing the industrial waste cleaup super funds. Funny how the love for their fellow man kept those companies in harmony with nature for all those decades.
Regulations, we don't need no stinking regulations. Calling me twisted does not make it so.
You probably know, by now, I'm really uneffected by insults.
Do you think congress will lift a finger to protect us (the People) in the new land of the MAGA court? Hahahahahaha.

 

[Thales750]

now for the love of God, someone answer my SQL server question.
j/k

I have a couple of those myself.

 

[Thales750]

Totally twisted thinking Thales, your ability to project death in fictional scenarios is astounding.

And oh yeah, I live in a world with the highest cancer rates in country. You don't know twisted. Molecular Science has brought the human race so much, but the greed factor must be contained, it will not self regulate.