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I think Mary Trumps credability just took a big jump with the release of the secret recordings she made of Judge Trump. 15 hours worth.
Nobody knows you better than family.
(for some reason the audio jumps back after a few seconds, so listen twice)

 
Bitterness and betrayal. It shows everything about her character. I've always taken a dim view on kiss and tellers. People will do anything for money and revenge. Take Stormy Daniels. She went after Trump and is probably bankrupted with all the legal fees, after the court found in Donald's favour.
 
Bitterness and betrayal. It shows everything about her character. I've always taken a dim view on kiss and tellers. People will do anything for money and revenge. Take Stormy Daniels. She went after Trump and is probably bankrupted with all the legal fees, after the court found in Donald's favour.
Actually yesterday . . . https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stormy-daniels-hush-money-legal-fees-trump_n_5f41bbc4c5b6763e5dc40561
 
She has multiple lawsuits against her former lover.

The second ordered Daniels to pay almost $300,000 in legal fees and court sanctions[
Unless she has that money available, my initial statement is accurate. There was a crowdfunding for her legal fees, but they may have to go towards another darling of the Left, Stormy Daniels corrupt Democrat lawyer, the criminal Avenatti. He was given huge amounts of airtime on the fake news channels, only later to be found to be ripping off everybody, including extortion from Nike!

But the point is that when someone reveals private information about someone so they can get revenge or money, or in this case both, it is a really unpleasant thing to do. If you were divorced and your wife wrote a scathing book about you, to be read by huge numbers of people, do you think that is the correct moral path for a former partner?
 
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The $300K order is still pending appeal.
But the point is that when someone reveals private information about someone so they can get revenge or money, or in this case both, it is a really unpleasant thing to do. If you were divorced and your wife wrote a scathing book about you, to be read by huge numbers of people, do you think that is the correct moral path for a former partner?
The price of Fame.

Assuming your talking about Mary Trump I dont know that I blame her. Trump swindled his own neice out of tens of millions of dollars. The recordings of her Aunt were made due to the family lying about her portion of the inheritance. I've heard 4 or 5 of them. They are pretty damning.
 
Yes indeed, it is the price of fame. And wealth.

I was initially talking about Mary, although I expanded it to mean anyone doing such deeds, whether they are friends or foes. For me, it is just too below the belt, although in some cases I can understand the motivation. An example is if someone kept you captive in their basement for 15 years. Then anything goes.

How did Trump swindle his niece? Where is the evidence apart from her say so?

I wouldn't necessarily hold any weight on a recording by her Aunt. People have been vilifying Trump as soon as he got into the Whitehouse. And you never know if something is staged or not. For starters, is it not illegal to record someone without them knowing? If so, why was Mary recording the Aunt? Getting ready for publication in a premeditated plan?
 
If you read the book and the reasons for writing it, you might have a different view. Or you could choose to believe that it was revenge for being swindled out of a lot of money because you have your opinion and nothing will change that. How the swindle happened isn't important. That it happened is telling, and IMO enough reason for writing the book. However, the stated reason is the one I chose to believe and the fact that she made money by doing so isn't important - especially after being swindled.
 
Just to start, you have assumed I have made an opinion that it was about revenge and that nothing would change that. But please show me where I said that is my opinion?

I would not choose to believe something without hearing both sides of the story. It is too unbalanced. When money is involved, people often do anything. They may sensationalise. Take CNN for example. 24/7 coverage of how Trump is a Russian agent colluding with Putin to steal the election. Yet Muller, who despised Trump, could not find anything at all relating to collusion, despite running a team of 17 angry Democrat lawyers and tens of millions of dollars.

If you think money is not important, remember that firstly she sued regarding money, and secondly, why is she writing the book now, while Trump is president? Maximum exposure, maximum money. To say money isn't important is to ignore that money may be the primary motive. It seems that everything Mary does is about money. Sue for money, release a book for money. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Maximum exposure, maximum money. To say money isn't important is to ignore that money may be the primary motive.
You just proved my point. You have your opinion and that's that. Read the book and then I might debate the issue. Until then, you don't seem to know what you don't know so there's not much point in engaging.
 
To prove your point, you have used something I said (in jest I might add), AFTER you made your mind up about my position. In other words, you haven't shown where I said it was my position when you made your claim. Why? Because you can't. Because I made no such claim and you just assumed it without asking me.

It seems like you just want to believe one side of the story without hearing the other side, but perhaps that is your go to standard. Maybe in a court of law you also believe that the defence doesn't need a defence, you just need to hear the accusers side of the story. Trump is bad. It says so on the book cover. The "worlds most dangerous man." So you believe it.

This is an interesting snippet I found:

Mary Trump told the newspaper that by contesting the will she was fighting for their father to be recognized. “He existed, he lived, he was their oldest son. And William is my father’s grandson,” she said.
That must be it. She was fighting for her fathers recognition, not the hundreds of millions she was suing for.

And this was also revealing:

After The Times reported on the family’s questionable valuations of its real-estate assets in 2018, Mary Trump concluded that she and her brother were duped in the settlement, she has claimed in the run-up to publishing her book.
It sounds like she is still dissatisfied with the money she received. I thought it was about fighting for her fathers recognition?

One more for good measure:

Ms. Trump has grown apart from the brother with whom she had been aligned in the family conflict years ago. While she has chosen to speak out against the family, he has taken a different path, nurturing a relationship with their uncle. In a statement released through the Trump family last month, Mr. Trump III distanced himself from his sister’s book and said their legal settlement had been generous and his son well-provided for.
It sounds like one of the aggrieved parties thought their legal settlement was generous, but the sister wanted more money. That's fine, if money is such an important factor to her.

If someone writes a book slating someone else, you have zero evidence over how much of it is true, or if it is just someone trying to slander someone else. If you believe that everybody tells the truth, that people do not do things just for money, that revenge and hatred does not lead people to mischaracterise others, then that is naive in the extreme.

I've had a friend of mine claim to a group of friends (when I wasn't there) that I went out with his girlfriend when he was seeing her. Fortunately, another friend of mine pulled him up about it, stating that I went for a friendly drink several years after they split. She became friends of several of us. Yet he tried to mislead that I was seeing her behind his back in a romantic fashion. I am still friends with her to this day, and never romantically. But not with the one making the false accusations.

I remember reading a Buddhist quote somewhere. It said that if Person A tells you something bad about Person B, you learn nothing about Person B, because Person A can be lying. But it tells you a lot about Person A.

Lastly...
you don't seem to know what you don't know
Does that not apply to the other side of the story? You don't know what you don't know regarding the Trump families version of events.

Edit: Just to say to both @moke123 and @Micron, none of my abrasive argumentation is intended to be personal. Rather, it is just purely from an "alternative viewpoint" perspective.
 
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If you could summarize the alleged swindle, we could discuss it. I would never pay money for a book like this and I haven't heard any of the details. If it happened a long time ago, why did she not publish then? Trump has been a public figure for many years. If she sued and lost, why is the story still relevant?
 
If it happened a long time ago, why did she not publish then
I would hate to assume any motive, but would peak earning potential be around now?

I looked at a little of the book when it first came out and it was riddled with bitterness. You couldn't read anything filled with more hatred, aiming to portray Trump as a psychopathic monster.
 
Mary Trump like all trump haters will hate until the end of time no matter what. That's what happens when you live in the propaganda machine called the media.
 
I would not choose to believe something without hearing both sides of the story. It is too unbalanced. When money is involved, people often do anything. They may sensationalise. Take CNN for example. 24/7 coverage of how Trump is a Russian agent colluding with Putin to steal the election. Yet Muller, who despised Trump, could not find anything at all relating to collusion, despite running a team of 17 angry Democrat lawyers and tens of millions of dollars.
Did you read Vol.5 of the Senate report released the other day? https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf
It sounds like one of the aggrieved parties thought their legal settlement was generous, but the sister wanted more money. That's fine, if money is such an important factor to her.
Also sounds like he didnt want to get sued.

"At the time that our lawsuit with the family was resolved, Mary and I had each received a generous financial settlement from the family and were more than willing to agree to execute non-disclosure provisions, all of which had been approved and recommended by our attorneys and advisors at that time," Fred Trump III said in a statement
"In my opinion, those provisions of the 2001 settlement agreement are still in effect and binding today and I have continued to honor them," his statement continued

If it happened a long time ago, why did she not publish then?

She did not know about the swindle until she gave old papers to the new york times. They then did an article about the trump family tax schemes. Thats when she learned she was cheated. She was told the estate was 30 million when it was closer to a billion.
 
I never paid the whole Mary Trump thing any attention at all. all families have their bitterness and secrets. Throw in the ultra wealthy aspect and it gets crazy. Who cares? at that level of riches and fame family members treat each other like strangers and business partners at best... Or at least that's exceedingly common. I'm sure the trumps are no different
 
Did you read Vol.5 of the Senate report released the other day?
No, do you have a summary of what the conclusions were? I have enough trouble trying to understand my car insurance renewal. :giggle:

Also sounds like he didn't want to get sued.
I don't think anybody wants to get sued.

Throw in the ultra wealthy aspect and it gets crazy
Agreed. I remember hearing that Michael Jackson was sued over 1,000 times. It seems to come with the territory for the very rich.
 
I cannot see The Washington Post stuff due to a paywall. I did find that The Washington Post is left leaning and that the lawfareblog was started by a former editorial writer for The Washington Post. Consequently, I would expect to find their conclusions left leaning and against the president.

This quote from The Hill, which I like, says...

The committee's main findings run parallel to the conclusions of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, which found overwhelming evidence of Russia's efforts to interfere in the election through disinformation and cyber campaigns but found a lack of sufficient evidence that the Trump campaign conspired with the Kremlin to impact the outcome of the 2016 election.

Source: https://thehill.com/policy/national...lligence-committee-report-on-russian-election

AllSides rates The Hill media bias rating as Center: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/hill-media-bias
 
Mitch McConnell has actively acted against Trump during the past four years. I would not count him as a supporter. He has made it his life's work to obstruct and slow-walk as much legislation that Trump wants as he can. Paul Ryan did the same thing in the House until he deliberately turned over the reigns to Pelosi by convincing so many RINOs to retire.

Doesn't anyone remember the Obama administration with Clinton as Sec of State pushing the "reset" button to improve their relationship with Russia? Doesn't anyone remember Obama making a private remark that was caught on an open mic telling some Russian official that he'd "have more flexibility" after the election. Doesn't anyone remember that after the 2012 election, Obama sat by and did nothing to help Ukraine when Russia annexed the Crimea? Does it occur to anyone, that the Russians probably wanted Clinton to win given her behavior in the Obama administration? Does it occur to anyone that to this day, Wikileaks denies getting the information it published from the Russians? Doesn't it occur to anyone that Trump's offhand remark in a press conference asking the Russians to find Hilary's missing emails was a JOKE???? If you listen to Trump with an open mind and not with hatred in your heart, you can see that many of his "most offensive" remarks were actually not offensive at all and I especially reference Charlottesville for this. If Trump is so evil, why does the left need to lie or exaggerate Trump's slightest mis-statement? With all the LEGAL back channel communications between his campaign and the Russians, surely someone could have made a not so public request if Trump really wanted to get help from the Russians for more of Hillary's emails. This is what the quote - " and encouraged further theft of information and continued leaks. " in the summary refers to. And for that reason, I agree with Jon. Remember most elected Republicans hate Trump as much as the Democrats do so unless the report states actual crimes for which people will be indited, I don't give a f***** f*** about innuendo. There has been a perpetual smear campaign since November of 2016 to discredit or remove Trump!!!! I am sick to death of it.

Put yourself in Trump's place people. How would you survive if 95% of the media coverage you got was smears and negative opinions offered as facts? Do you really think that any person elected by half the country could be even half as bad as Trump is portrayed as being? Who the hell cares that people like Bolten think that Trump's foreign policy is a mistake? Who elected Bolton? He is certainly entitled to his opinion as are all the others but the problem is that their negative opinion is ALWAYS presented as fact and "experience" and the stupid public believes way too much of it. How can every single thing Trump says or does be interpreted as having some evil intent? This is really a sickness. I predict that we will actually see "Trump Derangement Syndrome" in medical books in the future.
 
Video: Water's Words: The Democratic Con Job
It is the Democrats who are inflaming racism and divisiveness in the US.

Of special note; Waters highlights Biden for the Obama administration's failure with the 2009 Swine Flew (H1N1).

Biden claims to respect all Americans and that he will represent all Americans, yet the Democrats have been inflaming racism, using character assassination as a political strategy (such as maligning Kavanaugh), and obscuring from the public what policies would be implemented should the Democrats win. Clearly, Democrats have NO respect for those who do not support the Democratic anti-democracy agenda.
 
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