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[Frothingslosh]

Ah, the Rapture. A false belief mentioned nowhere in the Bible that was first suggested in the late 1600's by the Puritans and which didn't gain popularity until the early 1800's and even then only REALLY took off in the 1970's. It's also pretty much Protestant-only, and even there limited to those denominations of greater-than-usual conservative bent.

Good to know even Blade here is a heretic, despite his ranting about how we're all doomed.

 

[Bladerunner]

I digress and promise this will be the last as I am sure you are getting tired of my (as you would say..insane) ramblings. I do believe Libre told us they were getting old by his last post.

I happen to run upon this audio about the Pyramid of Giza (center of Egypt) and closer to England at Stonehenge.

A lot of numbers, a lot of scheptizism, a lot of conjecture, a lot of connections with the Bible. For you scientist, for you doubters.

In other words, it is out of this world and only about 1 hour 15 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ocIHPlFTI

have fun

Blade

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Blade, I noticed that you suggested earlier that the Rapture would occur in our lifetime. Unless you said that awkwardly or didn't mean it the way it came out, I have to class your prediction as the same that whack-job of a preacher who, not once but TWICE, recently predicted the end of the world. People sold their belongings because of his prediction, except they were proven to have been considerably premature. After his second failure, he had the good grace to step down and shut his yap.

If we were to rely on every prediction of some significant religious event made by folks of this religion or that one, we would be literally drowned in the tears we would shed when that prediction failed to come true. As was pointed out earlier, the Rapture is not a Biblical prediction, and it asserts a type of disaster that won't happen. (Wait, you say... how do I know it won't happen?) If you read the Bible instead of just thump it, you would recall the promise of the rainbow, which clearly states that God promised He would not visit disasters on the Earth again. With the Rapture predictions, it seems to me that you are calling God a liar. Is that a good idea within the tenets of your religion?

 

[Rx_]

I knew a married couple, an atheist and an agnostic.
They use to get into terrible fights on what religion not to bring up the children in.

 

[Libre]

If you read the Bible instead of just thump it, you would recall the promise of the rainbow, which clearly states that God promised He would not visit disasters on the Earth again.

Not quite right, Doc man. The promise was not to destroy the Earth again by FLOOD. He kept his options open, and did not waive the right to destroy the Earth by any other means. It really comes down to a promise that nobody who believes this nonsense in the first place should take any comfort in.

 

[Frothingslosh]

My personal favorite:

 

[Bladerunner]

Hi Doc,,Frothy.....

It seems we are at it again and as usual, you don't know what you are talking about. The Rapture (Raptus as rootword from Latin) means caught-up-taken away.. The Greek word Harpozo ..to seize, to carry off by force, to snatch out or away.

If you read (1 Thessalonians 4:17) you will see the word (Caught-up) which is how the word Rapture became popular.. As you can see it is real and it will happen. BUT,,,Frothy,,you were right, The word Rapture is not in the Bible.....at least not the English version of it.

Doc....my apologies if I sounded like I was predicting the (Rapture/Harpozo/caught-up) prophecy to happen at a certain time.

We are within in the interval of what is called Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy (given to him by Gabriel). We have been within that interval for almost two thousand years. How much longer will we be there I do not know but by the recent world events, it might not be much longer.

Keep in mind that the (Rapture/Harpozo/caught-up) is the only prophetic event that is distinctively both unspecified and imminent. Imminent--(about to happen).

It could happen within the next ten minutes or the next few years. We don't know but the Bible tells us to be watchful or risk being left behind. I do not intend to be left behind.

It is my opinion and belief that it will happen within my lifetime. Having said that, realistically I really do hope it does and if it does not then I will go to my grave believing in Jesus Christ. So please don't get all bent out of shape that I am predicting anything, I AM NOT. Further more, if it happened tonight, you would not have to worry about it and your life would go on as usual ...well somewhat usual.

When it happens Doc just rem. what I have said because it is apparent that you and Frothy will still be here. Sad but true.

Have a great afternoon

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Not quite right, Doc man. The promise was not to destroy the Earth again by FLOOD. He kept his options open, and did not waive the right to destroy the Earth by any other means. It really comes down to a promise that nobody who believes this nonsense in the first place should take any comfort in.

Way to go Libre: way to go....Now ask yourself why he destroyed the first world? Just to destroy good people or maybe wicked people or maybe people who did not believe. ???got any ideas>>>>>

Answer this and you will know why he will do it again.

Have a great evening....

Blade

 

[Libre]

Now ask yourself why he destroyed the first world?

Well, not really sure Blade. Far be it from me to guess the motives of divine beings. The short answer is that He looked upon the world and was righteously PO'ed at all the wickedness. Decided to wash it clean and start all over.
So, by extension, you might say that compared with all the wickedness in ancient times, they were like saints compared with us - so watch out because any millennia now, He might decide that enough is enough. We can rule out a flood because we have His word on that (and if you can't trust God's word, who's word CAN you trust?) but the Yellowstone super-caldera is looking pretty ripe, Rachel Carson's Silent Spring prophecies are holding true to the letter, asteroids whiz by the Earth at alarmingly small distances (the one's we see coming), and the new IOS 9 has been pretty buggy. Any of these and an infinite number of other cataclysms can be our undoing without any need of floods. So don't get too comfy there. The end is near. I figure I can beat the odds if the Big Man just holds off another 20-30 years or so.
Of course, after that I'll have to deal with eternity. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

If the Rapture actually occurs, those of us left behind will experience a Rapture of our own. We'll finally have a world where the most strident proselytizers have been taken out of the picture, leaving us in a relatively quieter environment. And of course that is not me stating a death wish for the proselytizers because being taken by the Rapture is clearly something they would want. So I don't feel as though I've done anything wrong in expressing my desire for the Rapture to take them now and get it over with.

OK, Libre, the promise of the rainbow is about floods. Do you count a tsunami in that? Because Pat Robertson claimed that the Indonesian tsunami was a punishment for the ungodly ways of the world. We should always remember that the Bible tells us that the realm of spirituality isn't about this world. So my question is, why would God bother with worldly disasters?

If He wants to harvest more souls, he could just take a few right away, being omnipotent and all that. He wouldn't need to wish up a disaster. If He did need to do so, what just happened to omnipotence? If the Rapture is supposed to be a demonstration of His power, why wait?

It is the nagging little inconsistencies like that one that amplifies my doubts.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Doc....my apologies if I sounded like I was predicting the (Rapture/Harpozo/caught-up) prophecy to happen at a certain time.

We are within in the interval of what is called Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy (given to him by Gabriel). We have been within that interval for almost two thousand years. How much longer will we be there I do not know but by the recent

It is my opinion and belief that it will happen within my lifetime. Having said that, realistically I really do hope it does and if it does not then I will go to my grave believing in Jesus Christ. So please don't get all bent out of shape that I am predicting anything, I AM NOT.


Have a great afternoon

Blade

Surely I am not the only one who thinks that there are considerable inconsistencies here , heck the man must definitely be religious.

Brian

 

[Libre]

OK, Libre, the promise of the rainbow is about floods. Do you count a tsunami in that?

You have to read it like an insurance policy. If you're insured against floods but you get wiped out by a tsunami, the adjustor will deny your claim. You can jump up and down and say you were covered, but he will just reiterate, over and over, that floods are floods and tsunamis are tsunamis. So you'd be SOL.
Then the adjustor will kindly offer to write you a new policy that includes both floods AND tsunamis (at a much higher premium of course) that would protect you in the FUTURE - but you still can't get paid on your existing claim. And when the tsunami finally arrives someone will say it wasn't actually a tsunami, it was more a tidal-wave.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Libre, it sounds just like my investment-scheme comments earlier. (But then, there are folks who believe that insurance IS just another investment scheme scam.)

 

[Libre]

I thought your analogy was right on.
And it also explains why we Jews, who are usually savvy investors, are also often non-religious, like me. I eat the matzoh and gefilta fish but as far as the 10 plagues and the parting of the Red Sea, puhleeze.

 

[Bladerunner]

Surely I am not the only one who thinks that there are considerable inconsistencies here , heck the man must definitely be religious.

Brian

What Inconsistencies? pray tell.


Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

You have to read it like an insurance policy. If you're insured against floods but you get wiped out by a tsunami, the adjustor will deny your claim. You can jump up and down and say you were covered, but he will just reiterate, over and over, that floods are floods and tsunamis are tsunamis. So you'd be SOL.
Then the adjustor will kindly offer to write you a new policy that includes both floods AND tsunamis (at a much higher premium of course) that would protect you in the FUTURE - but you still can't get paid on your existing claim. And when the tsunami finally arrives someone will say it wasn't actually a tsunami, it was more a tidal-wave.

Hi Libre...... I like your analogy but it to is wrong. Jesus died on the cross for our sins and it is a gift to you and me. Only your belief and Love is required.
That is really a hard price to overcome yet you Atheist seem to laugh at it..

It is a gift with no strings attached. All you have to do is ask him to forgive your sins. Simple as that,,,,,,, the Choice I have always talked about. -----

No churches, not baptism, no nothing except a covenant between you and Him.

Think about it.... you can still be macho man on this forum and yet secure your eternal life. What are you afraid of.

Have a blessed day.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Libre, it sounds just like my investment-scheme comments earlier. (But then, there are folks who believe that insurance IS just another investment scheme scam.)

Hi Doc...... An investment scheme that will not cost you a dime, in fact it will not cost your anything.

Blade

 

[Libre]

Hi Libre...... I like your analogy but it to is wrong. Jesus died on the cross for our sins and it is a gift to you and me. Only your belief and Love is required.
That is really a hard price to overcome yet you Atheist seem to laugh at it..

It is a gift with no strings attached. All you have to do is ask him to forgive your sins. Simple as that,,,,,,, the Choice I have always talked about. -----

No churches, not baptism, no nothing except a covenant between you and Him.

Think about it.... you can still be macho man on this forum and yet secure your eternal life. What are you afraid of.

Have a blessed day.

Blade

Hey Blade-
I guess it has to do with the fact that we atheists evaluate the information we receive and accept it or not, based on its plausibility. We do not evaluate it based on the benefits we could receive if only we were accept the information as truth.
If I decide something is untrue, or at least highly unlikely to be true, then I can't come to the conclusion that it is in fact true, regardless of the promises of reward or threats of punishment - now or in the future.

You could give me a magic coin and tell me, if I make a wish with the magic coin in my hand, the wish will come true - and the only requirement is that I truly believe deep in my heart that the coin is really magic. I can't just SAY that it's magic, I have to actually BELIEVE that it is.

Would YOU accept that the coin is magic, because somebody (an ordinary human) told you it was?
Would you wish on the coin?
Would you truly believe in it?
And then if you wished on the coin and the wish didn't come true, you're told either:
1- it WILL come true someday
or
2- it didn't come true because you didn't REALLY believe the coin was magic

or some combination of 1 and 2. You might be told you only have to wish HARDER or believe in the coin even MORE.

To virtually ALL we atheists, that is EXACTLY what you religious folk are doing. We just CAN'T accept that there are invisible, undetectable beings who love us and who have created the universe - and who we must believe in and love so we can reap great rewards after we're dead.

Asking me to believe - it's not possible for me no matter the consequences.

 

[Galaxiom]

We are within in the interval of what is called Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy (given to him by Gabriel). We have been within that interval for almost two thousand years

Keep in mind that the (Rapture/Harpozo/caught-up) is the only prophetic event that is distinctively both unspecified and imminent. Imminent--(about to happen).

So it has been "imminent" for 2000 years which mean we have been waiting for it for one third of the age of the Universe (according to your sources.)

How much longer will you wait before you accept the prophecy is wrong?

Your religion is nothing more than a Cargo Cult. Your expected cargo is the return of Jesus. You make crucifixes and build churches instead of wooden likeness of aeroplanes but the the essence is the same.

 

[Bladerunner]

So it has been "imminent" for 2000 years which mean we have been waiting for it for one third of the age of the Universe (according to your sources.)

How much longer will you wait before you accept the prophecy is wrong?

Your religion is nothing more than a Cargo Cult. Your expected cargo is the return of Jesus. You make crucifixes and build churches instead of wooden likeness of aeroplanes but the the essence is the same.

we know of the 'decree of Ataxerxes Lonimanus' on Mar 14, 445 BC to restore Jerusalem

we know that in Daniel 9,25, Gabriel told Daniel there would be 173,880 days to the day that Jesus would enter the city of Jerusalem. 7 weeks, threescore and two weeks....

The big thing was that Daniel was translated into the Greek Septuagint 300 years before Jesus entered Jerusalem.
You do know about the Septuagint, don't you???

we Now know that Jesus entered Jerusalem on April 6, 32 AD or 173, 880 days exactly from Artaxerxes Decree.
445BC - 32 AD = 173,740 days + march 4th to April 6th = 24 days + extra leap year days of 116 =173,880 days exactly.

All of these figures are verifiable through other sources other than the Bible if you like?.

In Daniel 9,26 ( one verse more) tells us there will be a interval after three score and two weeks (62 Years) after the initial 7 weeks (years) and Jesus will be cut-off or killed.

But more......Daniel 9:26 tells us that " the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary". (This verse also sets up the coming anti-christ and where he will come form.)

And as Jesus approached Jerusalem he (Jesus) predicted (Luke 19: 42,43) the "destruction of the city completely with "no stone un-turned ".

Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD by the Roman Titus and as predicted---no-stone was un-turned.

The interval is called the "Age of the Church" (the people) is set forth in order for Christians to spread the word of God throughout the world. When the (unknown to us) amount of people is fulfilled, the Rapture - Harpazo will occur and the 70th week will begin.

But so much for prophecies,,,BUT they are not existent in the Bible........

Galaxiom,,,, Yes, these years of the interim (Age of the Church)period are rapidly coming to an end. Of course that is deducted from the world situation and the biblical prophecies to come. However, as I stated, the Harpazo is 'imminent' without any other prophecy happening. The prophecies I speak of are believed to be started after the Harpazo happens.

I am sorry you do not want to know the truth nor do you really care about your after life. Even though it does not cost you anything, you still refuse the Gift given with Love and there are a lot of people on this site just like you. very very unfortunate

Have a good day

Blade